Upgrade your account to a Community Supporter account and remove most of the site ads.

Reply to thread

Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jeremy" data-source="post: 306623" data-attributes="member: 4036">Compared to other 3rd level effects like Hold Person (rd per level helpless) or Suggestion (hr per level limited only by your creativity and DC), Daze is small potatoes.  And as a damage spell, at 15th level an evoker doing 20 or so points of damage per spell to only a single target is a steal.  As opposed to Maze'ing a target with no save, Ottos's Irresistable Dance with no save, or Horrid Wilting for 15d8 over 60 ft for 67 points of damage to 10 or so creatures for 670 damage instead of 20.I agree, I can't see how a third level spell and a 2nd level spell are the problem.  The spectral hand shouldn't survive a single round, and a simple minor globe will stop both spells.  I mean at this point there could be prismatic sprays going off, fingers of feath, dominate persons, mass suggestions, cones of cold, feebleminds, hold monsters, force cages, disintegrates, flesh to stones, phantasmal killers, polymorph others (YOU are a large mouth BASS!)....  Save or be Dazed is kinda insignificant.  Save or be Held, Dominated, Disintegrated, Polymorphed, or blasted into teeny bits in thy mercy are other things that are happening at this level.I think the perception might be off a little in your game of this spell simply because of good application of it so far.  Because comparitively, it is nothing spectacular.  Ice Claw Prisons, Glass Strikes, multiple enervations (you wanna talk about a mage killer, try losing your highest level spell for every negative level and then taking 8 of these puppies with no save)...</blockquote>

Verification