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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jeremy" data-source="post: 313600" data-attributes="member: 4036">Brutal Seething Surge is hands down better than what 5th level arcane spell?Check some earlier posts that compare it to just third level arcane spells.Comparing it to 5th level arcane spells puts it up against spells like teleport, wall of force, dominate person, lesser planar binding, animal growth, and cone of cold...  I don't think 10-20 points of damage plus daze by touch compares.Check out the first level spell Bladesong off of the Wizards website.  There's 10-20 damage (if it's wielded by a mid level swordsman) plus daze and it's only first level.</blockquote>