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<blockquote data-quote="dcollins" data-source="post: 435601" data-attributes="member: 876">First of all, my analysis of scrying in general is that basically every single spellcaster of the appropriate level simply must have detect scrying functioning on themselves all the time. (As important as the 24 hour duration is the fact that it has no component cost and no chance of failure -- unlike nondetection.)Secondly, it does seem like problems arise out of an overly-lax interpretation of the teleport clause for the &quot;studied carefully&quot; case. I don't see how scrying once immediately counts as &quot;carefully studying&quot; an area. The language which begins with &quot;you've been there often&quot; needs to be contextualized with &quot;scrying&quot; -- you can use scrying, but you need to scry often and you need to actually study the place. This was perhaps more obvious in the language of previous editions of the game -- that &quot;studied carefully&quot; was a categorization for a place that you'd spent extensive downtime specifically preparing as the target for a teleport spell.It seems like such a one-time use much more obviously falls into following category:However, I will admit that this pattern probably became more problematic as a side-effect of the nerfing of the &quot;mishap&quot; category. In previous editions, the &quot;mishap&quot; result included teleporting into a solid object for immediate destruction, no save. Nobody wanted to make teleporting into unusual areas a regular tactic under those rules.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="dcollins, post: 435601, member: 876"] First of all, my analysis of scrying in general is that basically every single spellcaster of the appropriate level simply must have [i]detect scrying[/i] functioning on themselves all the time. (As important as the 24 hour duration is the fact that it has no component cost and no chance of failure -- unlike [i]nondetection[/i].) Secondly, it does seem like problems arise out of an overly-lax interpretation of the teleport clause for the "studied carefully" case. I don't see how scrying once immediately counts as "carefully studying" an area. The language which begins with "you've been there often" needs to be contextualized with "scrying" -- you can use [i]scrying[/i], but you need to scry [i]often[/i] and you need to actually [i]study[/i] the place. This was perhaps more obvious in the language of previous editions of the game -- that "studied carefully" was a categorization for a place that you'd spent extensive downtime specifically preparing as the target for a [i]teleport[/i] spell. It seems like such a one-time use much more obviously falls into following category: However, I will admit that this pattern probably became more problematic as a side-effect of the nerfing of the "mishap" category. In previous editions, the "mishap" result included teleporting into a solid object for immediate destruction, no save. Nobody wanted to make teleporting into unusual areas a regular tactic under those rules. [/QUOTE]

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