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<blockquote data-quote="aliensex" data-source="post: 436823" data-attributes="member: 7917">Well, lets take a look at Scry:&nbsp;Knowledge&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; DC---------&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; --None*&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 20Secondhand (the character has&nbsp; heard of the subject)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 15Firsthand (the character has&nbsp; met the subject)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10Familiar (the character know the subject well)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 5*The character must have some sort of connection to a creature the character has no knowledge of. Connection&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Scry Check Bonus----------&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; ----------------Likeness or picture&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +5Possession or garment&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +8Body part, lock of hair, nail clippings, etc.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; +10This spell creates a magical sensor located near the subject. Any creature with Intelligence 12 or higher can notice the sensor by making a Scry check (or an Intelligence check) against DC 20.So, to even Scry on someone, we need a connection.&nbsp; Assuming the party has not met the actual BBEG boss, they need one of the things listed above:Likeness or picture.&nbsp; I doubt he had a lot of portraits done and handed out.&nbsp; No cameras either, so this one would be very hard to get.Possession or garment.&nbsp; Unless he sends his laundry out, good luck there.Body part, lock of hair, nail clippings, etc.&nbsp; If you could already raid his bathroom for this stuff, then whats the point of even Scrying?&nbsp; YOU'RE ALREADY THERE!So, without having actually met the BBEG already, and maybe only having heard his name, or just the fact that he exists, means NO SCRY!!&nbsp; They have no real connection without a peice of him to go by, and I doubt a vague description from a minion would count either.&nbsp; So now the poor party is forced to actually go out and find him, before they could even Scry on him later.&nbsp; Sounds like an adventure to me.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /> Since the target gets an auto detect scry chance, I'd say it was a free action.&nbsp; Meaning he notices it (if the check succeeds) instantly, and has at least a free round to act, before the Scryer figures out he has noticed.I don't think its too big a deal.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="aliensex, post: 436823, member: 7917"] Well, lets take a look at Scry: [FONT=courier new] Knowledge DC --------- -- None* 20 Secondhand (the character has heard of the subject) 15 Firsthand (the character has met the subject) 10 Familiar (the character know the subject well) 5 *The character must have some sort of connection to a creature the character has no knowledge of. Connection Scry Check Bonus ---------- ---------------- Likeness or picture +5 Possession or garment +8 Body part, lock of hair, nail clippings, etc. +10 This spell creates a magical sensor located near the subject. Any creature with Intelligence 12 or higher can notice the sensor by making a Scry check (or an Intelligence check) against DC 20. [/FONT] So, to even Scry on someone, we need a connection. Assuming the party has not met the actual BBEG boss, they need one of the things listed above: Likeness or picture. I doubt he had a lot of portraits done and handed out. No cameras either, so this one would be very hard to get. Possession or garment. Unless he sends his laundry out, good luck there. Body part, lock of hair, nail clippings, etc. If you could already raid his bathroom for this stuff, then whats the point of even Scrying? YOU'RE ALREADY THERE! So, without having actually met the BBEG already, and maybe only having heard his name, or just the fact that he exists, means NO SCRY!! They have no real connection without a peice of him to go by, and I doubt a vague description from a minion would count either. So now the poor party is forced to actually go out and find him, before they could even Scry on him later. Sounds like an adventure to me.:p Since the target gets an auto detect scry chance, I'd say it was a free action. Meaning he notices it (if the check succeeds) instantly, and has at least a free round to act, before the Scryer figures out he has noticed. I don't think its too big a deal. [/QUOTE]

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