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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dissenter" data-source="post: 438470" data-attributes="member: 8343">No actually the first question is what gives you the right to decide who is evil.The second question is now that you have decided that a person is evil where do you draw the line as to which evil guy you are going to kill.  that is my one of my points right there.  You are now not only the judge, jury and executioner, but also the police who rounds the guy up,  and the 911 person who decides which calls he will and which calls he won't take. How many roles can a guy take on before he becomes a little too involved to make an objective decision regarding someones death.Detection spells wouldn't do crap in this case.  Lets take a 20th level fighter who just so happens to be the most evil sonofa$%^&* around.  Detect evil comes up moderate.  Now take a cleric of an evil deity who really hasn't done anything truely despicable, but is just all around not a nice guy.  Cheats on taxes, stabs his friends in the back, manipulates the system and steals from the donation box.  If he happens to be above 4th, our detection shows him as strong!  Which would indicate that he deserves the death fairy far more than the murdering raping, child stealing fighter.  What are augury and divination going to do for you? 'are we going to do well when we teleport in and slit this guys throat?' answer 'no, he wears a coif to bed'. ( a little levity there )  Even if you ask ' does this guy deserve death ' No DM worth his salt should say yes or no. Commune is your best shot, but even the answers from that are going to be biased to whatever alignment your god happens to be.  If you look back and reread your first response, you might notice the reason for the talking down.  Call someone silly, and they might take offense.  Anyway, it is true that I am taking the position of the LG character ( the pandoras box situation is something all alignments must consider ).  You suggested that it would be silly to make this type of thing illegal.  Now that you are defending the other alignments ( by indicating I had 'forgotten' about them ), I take it you agree that a LG character would have a problem with this?  My original post was merely to indicate that a paladin or cleric of a lawful good god would have problems with this.Please explain how this relates to the pandoras box situation...I don't see how it does, and its position in your response confuses me.Lastly let me put us on some common ground.  I play plenty of characters who have no ethical dilemas with this at all.  Most of them have the intelligence to realize that 'if I do this, what is to stop the bad guys from doing this?' and shy away from it.  Also, I think that it is fairly safe to execute demons, devils, hags and other evil outsiders this way.  Heck, they shouldn't even be on this plane to begin with so kicking them off is no big deal ( most of them don't really die anyway ).  The problem comes into play when it is about humans ( or elves or dwarves etc. but not gnomes, gnomes should be kos<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> )  Killing people should always make a good character pause and consider their actions.  Assassinating them should make them sick to their stomach.  If your character is evil, or even neutral then heck have a hay day until your opponents slit your throat while you sleep.</blockquote>

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