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Buff, Scry, Teleport... A problem or not?
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<blockquote data-quote="Coredump" data-source="post: 439016" data-attributes="member: 6939"><p>Few things about the example: </p><p>It shows how damn effective an ambush can be. Being ready to attack a known quantity is *much* easier than just trapsing through a dungeon.</p><p></p><p>Yes B-S-T is a powerful technique. However.... I have some questions about it, and some suggestions.</p><p></p><p>I do not think it was an EL 11. Just using straight numbers 7+7=9 9+9=11, so you have an 11 and a 6th...</p><p>PLUS, they had time and ability to set up an ambush, etc. So that increases the EL. This should have been an okay encounter straight up, as is, I would put it about EL 14 or so. (but, just my opinion)</p><p></p><p>It is convenient that the Wizards party was so 'light'.</p><p></p><p>Now, he could have used scrolls, but the wizard cast *twelve* 2nd lvl, 6 3rd lvl, and 4 4th lvl spells. He only gets 4/3/2 repectively. (plus bonus illusion and intellegence)</p><p></p><p>How did the 1/2ling get 6 feats? Shouldn't he only have 4?</p><p></p><p>Now they get trickier....</p><p></p><p>You say it was night. What light sources did you have? This raises *many* questions...</p><p></p><p>If it was dark, how did they see well enough to scry, even to 'view once'?</p><p></p><p>Assuming it is good enough light, how did they not teleport right on top of you? Remember, it is dark away from the campfire, so how could they see it?</p><p>(This also brings up the more general question of how much area is seen from scrying, just 10' around the target? 100'? If a large area, how does this work when scrying indoors? I always thought of scrying as a fairly small area seen around the target; which would also 'force' them to teleport right on top of you)</p><p></p><p>Since they did teleport 'into the dark', how did the wizard see to read the scroll?</p><p></p><p>The rogue had to move within 30', so how did he get 3 arrows off in one round?</p><p></p><p>I know nothing about psychic Warriors, so no comment there. (unless his movement towards the fighter may have given an AoO)</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Now, questions/comments for you:</p><p>If it is dark, and you are being scryed, having no light is a pretty good defense.(Not total, but pretty good)</p><p></p><p>When ambushed, running away is a pretty good tactic. The campfire (assuming) would only have a radius of about 20'. A full movement action yeilds no AoO's, and gets you into the dark. They can't really stay and loot, since then you can ambush them.</p><p></p><p>I would have never had the cleric cast HC as his first action. Sundering the bow, or sundering the scroll would have been my first thought. (especially the scroll) And it would have saved him 50pts of MM damage. (the readied action would not have triggered) </p><p></p><p>How badly did they want you, that they were willing to risk 25% chance of being somewhere far away, and with no spells left?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Oh well... just curious...</p><p></p><p>edit: format</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Coredump, post: 439016, member: 6939"] Few things about the example: It shows how damn effective an ambush can be. Being ready to attack a known quantity is *much* easier than just trapsing through a dungeon. Yes B-S-T is a powerful technique. However.... I have some questions about it, and some suggestions. I do not think it was an EL 11. Just using straight numbers 7+7=9 9+9=11, so you have an 11 and a 6th... PLUS, they had time and ability to set up an ambush, etc. So that increases the EL. This should have been an okay encounter straight up, as is, I would put it about EL 14 or so. (but, just my opinion) It is convenient that the Wizards party was so 'light'. Now, he could have used scrolls, but the wizard cast *twelve* 2nd lvl, 6 3rd lvl, and 4 4th lvl spells. He only gets 4/3/2 repectively. (plus bonus illusion and intellegence) How did the 1/2ling get 6 feats? Shouldn't he only have 4? Now they get trickier.... You say it was night. What light sources did you have? This raises *many* questions... If it was dark, how did they see well enough to scry, even to 'view once'? Assuming it is good enough light, how did they not teleport right on top of you? Remember, it is dark away from the campfire, so how could they see it? (This also brings up the more general question of how much area is seen from scrying, just 10' around the target? 100'? If a large area, how does this work when scrying indoors? I always thought of scrying as a fairly small area seen around the target; which would also 'force' them to teleport right on top of you) Since they did teleport 'into the dark', how did the wizard see to read the scroll? The rogue had to move within 30', so how did he get 3 arrows off in one round? I know nothing about psychic Warriors, so no comment there. (unless his movement towards the fighter may have given an AoO) Now, questions/comments for you: If it is dark, and you are being scryed, having no light is a pretty good defense.(Not total, but pretty good) When ambushed, running away is a pretty good tactic. The campfire (assuming) would only have a radius of about 20'. A full movement action yeilds no AoO's, and gets you into the dark. They can't really stay and loot, since then you can ambush them. I would have never had the cleric cast HC as his first action. Sundering the bow, or sundering the scroll would have been my first thought. (especially the scroll) And it would have saved him 50pts of MM damage. (the readied action would not have triggered) How badly did they want you, that they were willing to risk 25% chance of being somewhere far away, and with no spells left? Oh well... just curious... edit: format [/QUOTE]
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