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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7180780" data-attributes="member: 996"><p>Obviously, so as not to obscure the Champion's second style feature. It's hard to capture in terms of DPR, as the temptation to take defensive style and thus 'stack' with another style is high. </p><p></p><p><em>Edit: yep, exactly that. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> </em></p><p></p><p> The problem there is that starting with Duelist is equally valid, and erases the difference, thus starting with Defense looks biased.</p><p></p><p>An alternative might be to consider a specific case where it would matter to DPR: A dex-based Archer, using a 1-handed finesse weapon as backup in melee. At low levels, they're both lethal Archers with their +2 to hit. Later, the champion picks up Duelist and is nastier in melee, too. They might not melee /much/, and that'd be a mushy part of the analysis, but it'd be a case where the second style does positively impact DPR. </p><p></p><p></p><p> You could factor out a lot more, too.</p><p></p><p>But, if you were willing to consider feats, the rather silly dual-wielding-crossbow build, using feats so it never has to resort to a melee weapon, could be ideal for factoring in the second style, because it would benefit from both TWF & Archery styles. And, it's notorious high-DPR build, so there's no appearance of soft-balling.</p><p></p><p>Heck, we can probably find a lot of analysis of variations on that build...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7180780, member: 996"] Obviously, so as not to obscure the Champion's second style feature. It's hard to capture in terms of DPR, as the temptation to take defensive style and thus 'stack' with another style is high. [i]Edit: yep, exactly that. :) [/i] The problem there is that starting with Duelist is equally valid, and erases the difference, thus starting with Defense looks biased. An alternative might be to consider a specific case where it would matter to DPR: A dex-based Archer, using a 1-handed finesse weapon as backup in melee. At low levels, they're both lethal Archers with their +2 to hit. Later, the champion picks up Duelist and is nastier in melee, too. They might not melee /much/, and that'd be a mushy part of the analysis, but it'd be a case where the second style does positively impact DPR. You could factor out a lot more, too. But, if you were willing to consider feats, the rather silly dual-wielding-crossbow build, using feats so it never has to resort to a melee weapon, could be ideal for factoring in the second style, because it would benefit from both TWF & Archery styles. And, it's notorious high-DPR build, so there's no appearance of soft-balling. Heck, we can probably find a lot of analysis of variations on that build... [/QUOTE]
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