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<blockquote data-quote="Kinematics" data-source="post: 8406110" data-attributes="member: 6932123"><p>I like the scaling much better than the original list (x10 every level), but I agree that the bottom end of the scaling could use some extra wiggle room.</p><p></p><p>Currently the top end size for a house is 1000 sq ft. That's really rather small for a house. The average size of newly built 2-bedroom apartments over the last decade was about 1100 sq ft, though other data suggests 800 sq ft as a reasonable average. Either way, we're sitting around the 1000 sq ft range, and we're not actually up to a full house.</p><p></p><p>Most modest houses today are about 1250-1500 sq ft, with larger houses pushing 2000 or so. I could see 2500 sq ft as being a reasonable cap for a house size (fitting the prefix digits to the rest of the scaling), while going above that puts you in the range of an actual manor. It also fits better for a guildhouse or temple, which have a reasonable need for more room for dealing with a moderate number of people.</p><p></p><p>After that I'd go with raising tier 1's max size to 500 sq ft. Given the expected wealth by level from other posts, players will very quickly move out of the range of tier 1 strongholds at 100 sq ft (so 100 gp to start with), to the point one might wonder why you even have that tier.</p><p></p><p>A 100 sq ft area would be 4 grid squares. A tavern is supposed to fit within that space. If I were to imagine my office area (11' x 20' — a bit over 200 sq ft, so not very large, but enough for two people to have desks and work) as a bar, I could figure space for the bartender, drink shelves, and stools for about a half dozen people. I could imagine that as a cubbyhole tavern. Cutting the room size in half? I could see that as a drink/breakfast bar in a larger house, but not enough to be an actual tavern.</p><p></p><p>A range of 50-500 sq ft for tier 1 seems like a reasonable amount of wiggle room. Some stronghold types would still fit within 100 sq ft, but constraining some types to that size feels like a disconnect.</p><p></p><p>Same for the low end of tier 3. 1001 sq ft for a keep or manor strains credulity. 2501 sq ft feels far more believable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kinematics, post: 8406110, member: 6932123"] I like the scaling much better than the original list (x10 every level), but I agree that the bottom end of the scaling could use some extra wiggle room. Currently the top end size for a house is 1000 sq ft. That's really rather small for a house. The average size of newly built 2-bedroom apartments over the last decade was about 1100 sq ft, though other data suggests 800 sq ft as a reasonable average. Either way, we're sitting around the 1000 sq ft range, and we're not actually up to a full house. Most modest houses today are about 1250-1500 sq ft, with larger houses pushing 2000 or so. I could see 2500 sq ft as being a reasonable cap for a house size (fitting the prefix digits to the rest of the scaling), while going above that puts you in the range of an actual manor. It also fits better for a guildhouse or temple, which have a reasonable need for more room for dealing with a moderate number of people. After that I'd go with raising tier 1's max size to 500 sq ft. Given the expected wealth by level from other posts, players will very quickly move out of the range of tier 1 strongholds at 100 sq ft (so 100 gp to start with), to the point one might wonder why you even have that tier. A 100 sq ft area would be 4 grid squares. A tavern is supposed to fit within that space. If I were to imagine my office area (11' x 20' — a bit over 200 sq ft, so not very large, but enough for two people to have desks and work) as a bar, I could figure space for the bartender, drink shelves, and stools for about a half dozen people. I could imagine that as a cubbyhole tavern. Cutting the room size in half? I could see that as a drink/breakfast bar in a larger house, but not enough to be an actual tavern. A range of 50-500 sq ft for tier 1 seems like a reasonable amount of wiggle room. Some stronghold types would still fit within 100 sq ft, but constraining some types to that size feels like a disconnect. Same for the low end of tier 3. 1001 sq ft for a keep or manor strains credulity. 2501 sq ft feels far more believable. [/QUOTE]
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