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<blockquote data-quote="preacher" data-source="post: 4817234" data-attributes="member: 36981"><p>I hadn't spotted that, thanks. I'll look through the epic feats - I've just picked up the Epic Handbook, and had previously been relying on the DMG, where it didn't seem to matter when I picked up 9th level spells. Are there any in particular that you had in mind?</p><p></p><p></p><p>The DM houseruled a few extra class skills into DSM, as by the time I went prestige I was the only rogue again, but there are certainly some skills I need to catch up on. I hadn't thought of that, thanks.</p><p></p><p></p><p>DSM has decent BAB progression, so it's currently +11, and there are no extra iterative attacks at stake. But I'd previously thought I'd be able to boost attack bonuses by taking classes with better BAB progression later on, and noticed that all classes gain epic bonus at the same rate. I have TWF and ITWF, but usually fail on the last attacks without Wraithstrike. My full attack bonus isn't that great, but it's probably better to rely on buffs and items to get that up than try to do it through focussing on BAB for the last non-epic few levels.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I have Practised Spellcaster, so caster level = character level right now. I know that it's supposed to be a bad idea to lose caster levels, but I'm not sure how much difference it'll make in epic play. At level 25, for example, will I care that I'm caster level 24?</p><p></p><p>The DM has some crazy houserules that allow extrremely high stats, so my DEX provides a big chunk of my AC. And it's just so galling to be on the receiving end of sneak attacks. Uncanny Dodge is so tempting.</p><p></p><p>Any thoughts on what to do post-20 - PrC levels for prestige class abilities, or DSM levels for extra epic feats? I assume that if I take a PrC with class abilities, I don't get the bonus epic feats at the same rate I would for a class with no epic class abilities. And I can't see any DSM abilities that would scale up, except Sneak Attack, so assume I'd get some bonus feats.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="preacher, post: 4817234, member: 36981"] I hadn't spotted that, thanks. I'll look through the epic feats - I've just picked up the Epic Handbook, and had previously been relying on the DMG, where it didn't seem to matter when I picked up 9th level spells. Are there any in particular that you had in mind? The DM houseruled a few extra class skills into DSM, as by the time I went prestige I was the only rogue again, but there are certainly some skills I need to catch up on. I hadn't thought of that, thanks. DSM has decent BAB progression, so it's currently +11, and there are no extra iterative attacks at stake. But I'd previously thought I'd be able to boost attack bonuses by taking classes with better BAB progression later on, and noticed that all classes gain epic bonus at the same rate. I have TWF and ITWF, but usually fail on the last attacks without Wraithstrike. My full attack bonus isn't that great, but it's probably better to rely on buffs and items to get that up than try to do it through focussing on BAB for the last non-epic few levels. I have Practised Spellcaster, so caster level = character level right now. I know that it's supposed to be a bad idea to lose caster levels, but I'm not sure how much difference it'll make in epic play. At level 25, for example, will I care that I'm caster level 24? The DM has some crazy houserules that allow extrremely high stats, so my DEX provides a big chunk of my AC. And it's just so galling to be on the receiving end of sneak attacks. Uncanny Dodge is so tempting. Any thoughts on what to do post-20 - PrC levels for prestige class abilities, or DSM levels for extra epic feats? I assume that if I take a PrC with class abilities, I don't get the bonus epic feats at the same rate I would for a class with no epic class abilities. And I can't see any DSM abilities that would scale up, except Sneak Attack, so assume I'd get some bonus feats. [/QUOTE]
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