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<blockquote data-quote="Latsu" data-source="post: 6352238" data-attributes="member: 6778072">so I have this so farHuman Paragon 3, Fighter 6, Barbarian 1 (spirit totem lion)HP1 1st combat reflexes and two weapon fighting-bHP2 2nd weapon focus halberd-bHp3 3rd spinning halberdFtr1 4th dodge-bFtr2 5th power attack-bBrb1 6th improved bull rushFtr3 7thFtr4 8th shock trooper-bFtr5 9th combat expertiseFtr6 10th improved trip-bthat's the baseline for the build to workdon't know what to take after that other then leap attack (obviously), still wouldn't mind another tactic to use like sneak attack or skirmish, also his will save would be +5 as opposed to his +10 fortitude and the gap would only widen if he stayed fighter and I don't want to end up hacking up a party member because of an abysmal will save, cloak of resistance would help but it gets costly quickly and iron will is only a temporary fixI've been looking online and people seem to think that 16, 14, 13, 12, 10, 9 are the average abilities you get with this method so I'd go;strength 16 +1 at 8th level&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; =17 (+3)dexterity 14 + 2 for human&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; =16 (+3)constitution 13 + 1 at 4th level&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; =14 (+2)intelligence 12 +2 for racial paragon&nbsp; &nbsp; =14 (+2)wisdom10&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; =10 (+0)&nbsp; charisma9&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; =9&nbsp;&nbsp; (-1)all before magic items, strength isn't stellar and neither is constitution but magic can fix that and he isn't a tank anywayIt isn't the best build but it came out ok, thanks for the spirit totem barbarian by the way, now if I could just get whirling frenzy allowed.. from what I've heard it looks really good on paper but isn't actually any better then rage, is this true? would it be more useful because of the fighting style that this character uses?I know it would work to stay barbarian but I hate the AC penalty and with the penalties from heedless charge I can see combat going like this, I kill first guy, I die by arrows fired from mooks since my AC is taking like a -7 penalty, whirling frenzy once again offsets this and improves the build every other wayso questions, am I right that whirling frenzy helps the build a lot, would spinning halberd + whirling frenzy + haste all stack, and what classes to take next assuming whirling frenzy wouldn't be allowed and I would have no other reason to stay barbarian and I want to even out saves which are +5 Will +7 Reflex +10 Fortitude, as a side note was it ever decided whether or not the bonus attack from spinning halberd get the enchantments of the halberd? like an actual official ruling not a player consensus</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Latsu, post: 6352238, member: 6778072"] so I have this so far Human Paragon 3, Fighter 6, Barbarian 1 (spirit totem lion) HP1 1st combat reflexes and two weapon fighting-b HP2 2nd weapon focus halberd-b Hp3 3rd spinning halberd Ftr1 4th dodge-b Ftr2 5th power attack-b Brb1 6th improved bull rush Ftr3 7th Ftr4 8th shock trooper-b Ftr5 9th combat expertise Ftr6 10th improved trip-b that's the baseline for the build to work don't know what to take after that other then leap attack (obviously), still wouldn't mind another tactic to use like sneak attack or skirmish, also his will save would be +5 as opposed to his +10 fortitude and the gap would only widen if he stayed fighter and I don't want to end up hacking up a party member because of an abysmal will save, cloak of resistance would help but it gets costly quickly and iron will is only a temporary fix I've been looking online and people seem to think that 16, 14, 13, 12, 10, 9 are the average abilities you get with this method so I'd go; strength 16 +1 at 8th level =17 (+3) dexterity 14 + 2 for human =16 (+3) constitution 13 + 1 at 4th level =14 (+2) intelligence 12 +2 for racial paragon =14 (+2) wisdom10 =10 (+0) charisma9 =9 (-1) all before magic items, strength isn't stellar and neither is constitution but magic can fix that and he isn't a tank anyway It isn't the best build but it came out ok, thanks for the spirit totem barbarian by the way, now if I could just get whirling frenzy allowed.. from what I've heard it looks really good on paper but isn't actually any better then rage, is this true? would it be more useful because of the fighting style that this character uses? I know it would work to stay barbarian but I hate the AC penalty and with the penalties from heedless charge I can see combat going like this, I kill first guy, I die by arrows fired from mooks since my AC is taking like a -7 penalty, whirling frenzy once again offsets this and improves the build every other way so questions, am I right that whirling frenzy helps the build a lot, would spinning halberd + whirling frenzy + haste all stack, and what classes to take next assuming whirling frenzy wouldn't be allowed and I would have no other reason to stay barbarian and I want to even out saves which are +5 Will +7 Reflex +10 Fortitude, as a side note was it ever decided whether or not the bonus attack from spinning halberd get the enchantments of the halberd? like an actual official ruling not a player consensus [/QUOTE]

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