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<blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4071398" data-attributes="member: 40961">You can't see why a brawny rogue and an agile rogue might both want Tumble?You can't see why an agile rogue who can deal 2d6+3 damage with Torturous Attack might still take it, even though a brawny rogue might deal 2d6+5 because he has a strength bonus of +2?This does get to my one worry about 4e's &quot;powers get a boost if you are X&quot; system- player perception.&nbsp; I've seen players who will look at an ability and conclude that it is worthless because a different character class has a similar, slightly better ability.&nbsp; I do worry that in 4e the player of the brawny rogue will look at the agile rogue and at Positioning Strike, and think, &quot;He can push someone two spaces with that talent, but I can push someone only one space.&nbsp; That means that pushing someone only one space is WORTHLESS!&quot;This is of course silly.&nbsp; But I do worry a little bit that people will think that way.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadfan, post: 4071398, member: 40961"] You can't see why a brawny rogue and an agile rogue might both want Tumble? You can't see why an agile rogue who can deal 2d6+3 damage with Torturous Attack might still take it, even though a brawny rogue might deal 2d6+5 because he has a strength bonus of +2? This does get to my one worry about 4e's "powers get a boost if you are X" system- player perception. I've seen players who will look at an ability and conclude that it is worthless because a different character class has a similar, slightly better ability. I do worry that in 4e the player of the brawny rogue will look at the agile rogue and at Positioning Strike, and think, "He can push someone two spaces with that talent, but I can push someone only one space. That means that pushing someone only one space is WORTHLESS!" This is of course silly. But I do worry a little bit that people will think that way. [/QUOTE]

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