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<blockquote data-quote="Carnivorous_Bean" data-source="post: 4071429" data-attributes="member: 57974">I have been deliberately trying to avoid this. But when it's explained two billion times, and the relevant text is pointed out billions of times, and certain posters continue to completely ignore it, it's only natural to eventually become frustrated realizing that they won't even bother to answer objective evidence that disproves major parts of their arguments. They won't even answer the evidence with counter-arguments, which I could accept. They just ignore it and keep on chanting &quot;omg, 4e sucks, 4e sucks, 4e sucks,&quot; drowning out all dissent with white noise. I am not ascribing motives to specific other posters, either. I am answering a general trend.&nbsp; I am pointing out that those who seem to openly disregard evidence which is available to everyone, rather than at least offering some kind of refutation, are not contributing to the discussion, they're just distorting it and distracting from reaching any kind of reasoned discussion of pros and cons.At this point, I don't care any more, though. If some people are determined to say the sky is green when it is objectively and demonstrably blue, then more power to them.&nbsp; Who cares, really. I'm going to buy the game despite the aspects that I think may stink (and yes, there are, like possibly anime-like superpowers for martial types). These Internet arguments become so circular that they could drive a whole bevy of philosophers insane.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Carnivorous_Bean, post: 4071429, member: 57974"] I have been deliberately trying to avoid this. But when it's explained two billion times, and the relevant text is pointed out billions of times, and certain posters continue to completely ignore it, it's only natural to eventually become frustrated realizing that they won't even bother to answer objective evidence that disproves major parts of their arguments. They won't even answer the evidence with counter-arguments, which I could accept. They just ignore it and keep on chanting "omg, 4e sucks, 4e sucks, 4e sucks," drowning out all dissent with white noise. I am not ascribing motives to specific other posters, either. I am answering a general trend. I am pointing out that those who seem to openly disregard evidence which is available to everyone, rather than at least offering some kind of refutation, are not contributing to the discussion, they're just distorting it and distracting from reaching any kind of reasoned discussion of pros and cons. At this point, I don't care any more, though. If some people are determined to say the sky is green when it is objectively and demonstrably blue, then more power to them. Who cares, really. I'm going to buy the game despite the aspects that I think may stink (and yes, there are, like possibly anime-like superpowers for martial types). These Internet arguments become so circular that they could drive a whole bevy of philosophers insane. [/QUOTE]

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