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<blockquote data-quote="Ragnaros." data-source="post: 8811930" data-attributes="member: 7037995">But, remembering, Sauron was defeated by Huan (a Maia invulnerable to magic) and Lúthien (Half Maia) because of a prophecy + The fabric of Lúthien's cloak that gave a fleeting sleep in Sauron Werewolf form.The Sauron defeated by Gil Galad and Elendil was greatly weakened after the Fall of Númenor! He was not in his peak!And Sauron was never defeated by Númenor. That was a lie:Taking a reading of the clashes of Sauron and his opponents, whether in the Silmarillion or the Lord of the Rings, I came across an interesting skill of the Dark Lord: he has an ability (by using the Morgoth Ingredient as a prerequisite for his &quot;magic&quot;) to &quot;cancel out&quot; his enemies' powers:a) Sauron captures Minas Tirith on Tol Sirion: (...) when the power of Ulmo was in that water (...);b) Sauron tanked and repelled lightning bolts sent by Manwë on the temple of Melkor in Numenor;d) And Galadriel's power in Lothlorien. Dol Guldur's armies could not conquer the elven realm unless Sauron himself had arrived. Remembering that Lórien is (in my opinion) a &quot;pocket&quot; where the time flow differently from the other places of Middle Earth:This sets him apart from other Maiar. Sauron must also possess a pluripotency (with the use of Morgoth Element in the matter) to a lesser degree than Melkor/Morgoth.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ragnaros., post: 8811930, member: 7037995"] But, remembering, Sauron was defeated by Huan (a Maia invulnerable to magic) and Lúthien (Half Maia) because of a prophecy + The fabric of Lúthien's cloak that gave a fleeting sleep in Sauron Werewolf form. The Sauron defeated by Gil Galad and Elendil was greatly weakened after the Fall of Númenor! He was not in his peak! And Sauron was never defeated by Númenor. That was a lie: Taking a reading of the clashes of Sauron and his opponents, whether in the Silmarillion or the Lord of the Rings, I came across an interesting skill of the Dark Lord: he has an ability (by using the Morgoth Ingredient as a prerequisite for his "magic") to "cancel out" his enemies' powers: a) Sauron captures Minas Tirith on Tol Sirion: (...) when the power of Ulmo was in that water (...); b) Sauron tanked and repelled lightning bolts sent by Manwë on the temple of Melkor in Numenor; d) And Galadriel's power in Lothlorien. Dol Guldur's armies could not conquer the elven realm unless Sauron himself had arrived. Remembering that Lórien is (in my opinion) a "pocket" where the time flow differently from the other places of Middle Earth: This sets him apart from other Maiar. Sauron must also possess a pluripotency (with the use of Morgoth Element in the matter) to a lesser degree than Melkor/Morgoth. [/QUOTE]

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