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<blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7141286" data-attributes="member: 996">Shapechanging has always been a D&amp;D Druid thing, and starting it very early was introduced in the 2e 'Complete' book.&nbsp; It's a D&amp;D thing WoW copied.&nbsp; WoW is just orders of magnitude bigger than D&amp;D, so some folks coming from it to D&amp;D might not realize how derivative the MMO that hooked them is of the TTRPG they're trying.&nbsp;5th or 7th would be fine for the non-Moon Circles, especially if it opened up room for other cool abilities...&nbsp;All sound good.&nbsp; Moon is already the animal-shapeshifter Druid.&nbsp; The Warden was a different kind of shapeshifter, it's 'guardian' forms not all animals and more abstract in some ways (&quot;Form of Mountain's Thunder&quot; can't be too literal), more like a set of still-weapon-using humanoid shapes or aspects taken on.&nbsp; A Druidic seer would be very appropriate, and it would be differentiated from other classes good at divination the same way classes with similar functions are differentiated in 5e - by not worrying about it.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />&nbsp; Seriously, 5e classes stomp all over eachother's stuff, especially spell lists.&nbsp; :shrug: Doesn't seem to be an issue.&nbsp; Spirit (Shaman) and Hunt could completely replace the usual wildshape with a spirit fetch and hunting animal (pack of hounds or wolves might be cool if it could be handled well), respectively.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Tony Vargas, post: 7141286, member: 996"] Shapechanging has always been a D&D Druid thing, and starting it very early was introduced in the 2e 'Complete' book. It's a D&D thing WoW copied. WoW is just orders of magnitude bigger than D&D, so some folks coming from it to D&D might not realize how derivative the MMO that hooked them is of the TTRPG they're trying. 5th or 7th would be fine for the non-Moon Circles, especially if it opened up room for other cool abilities... All sound good. Moon is already the animal-shapeshifter Druid. The Warden was a different kind of shapeshifter, it's 'guardian' forms not all animals and more abstract in some ways ("Form of Mountain's Thunder" can't be too literal), more like a set of still-weapon-using humanoid shapes or aspects taken on. A Druidic seer would be very appropriate, and it would be differentiated from other classes good at divination the same way classes with similar functions are differentiated in 5e - by not worrying about it. ;) Seriously, 5e classes stomp all over eachother's stuff, especially spell lists. :shrug: Doesn't seem to be an issue. Spirit (Shaman) and Hunt could completely replace the usual wildshape with a spirit fetch and hunting animal (pack of hounds or wolves might be cool if it could be handled well), respectively. [/QUOTE]

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