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<blockquote data-quote="Gladius Legis" data-source="post: 7151119" data-attributes="member: 68748"><p>Depends on how you define "severely," but yeah, the Champion lags behind the Battle Master.</p><p></p><p>Here's calculations I made between the two over the course of a 30-round day, taking crit ranges and crit damage into account since they're relevant with the Champion in play.</p><p></p><p><strong>vs. AC 13 + proficiency bonus (65% chance to hit)</strong></p><p><strong>30 rounds of combat/day, 2 short rests/day</strong></p><p><strong>All characters with greatsword + GWF Style and 20 STR</strong></p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Champion</strong></p><p>Lv. 11: 33*3*(.55*13.33 + .10*21.67) = 940.4</p><p>Lv. 15: 33*3*(.5*13.33 + .15*21.67) = 981.6</p><p>Lv. 19: 36*3*(.5*13.33 + .15*21.67) = 1,070.9</p><p>Lv. 20: 36*4*(.5*13.33 + .15*21.67) = 1,427.8</p><p></p><p><strong>Battle Master</strong></p><p>Lv. 11: 33*3*(.6*13.33 + .05*21.67) + 15*5.5 + 8*6.7 = 1,033.4</p><p>Lv. 15: 33*3*(.6*13.33 + .05*21.67) + 21*5.5 + 11*6.7 = 1,088.3</p><p>Lv. 19: 36*3*(.6*13.33 + .05*21.67) + 21*6.5 + 11*6.4 = 1,187.7</p><p>Lv. 20: 36*4*(.6*13.33 + .05*21.67) + 21*6.5 + 11*6.4 = 1,514.6</p><p>* Riposte Lv. 11-17 roughly equals .65*(13.33+5.5) = 12.2, vs. 5.5 of on-hit maneuver, difference of 6.7 per SD.</p><p>* Riposte Lv. 18-20 roughly equals .65*(13.33+6.5) = 12.9, vs. 6.5 of on-hit maneuver, difference of 6.4 per SD.</p><p>* For simplicity's sake, assume half of SDs (rounded up) are used on Ripostes, and other half (rounded down) are on-hit maneuvers.</p><p>* For simplicity's sake, assume recovery of 1 SD w/ Relentless between rests (so 3 more SDs/day).</p><p></p><p>And for good measure, three types of Paladins, w/ same weapon, vs. same ACs, also 30-round combat days:</p><p></p><p><strong>Paladin of Devotion</strong></p><p>Lv. 11 (16 CHA): 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.75*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 175.5 = 973.6</p><p>Lv. 15 (16 CHA): 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.75*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 229.5 = 1,027.6</p><p>Lv. 19 (20 CHA): 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.85*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 310.5 = 1,151.4</p><p>Lv. 20 (20 CHA): 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.85*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 310.5 = 1,151.4 (+ Holy Nimbus vs. horde)</p><p>* All spell slots on Divine Smite</p><p>* All Channel Divinity (3/day) on Sacred Weapon. 12 rounds (3 4 round fights).</p><p></p><p><strong>Paladin of Vengeance</strong></p><p>Lv. 11: 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.78*17.83 + .0975*30.67) + 175.5 = 1,021.4</p><p>Lv. 15: 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.78*17.83 + .0975*30.67) + 229.5 = 1,075.4 (+ Soul of Vengeance)</p><p>Lv. 19: 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.78*17.83 + .0975*30.67) + 310.5 = 1,156.4 (+ Soul of Vengeance)</p><p>Lv. 20: 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.78*17.83 + .0975*30.67) + 310.5 = 1,156.4 (+ Soul of Vengeance, + Avenging Angel advantage vs. horde)</p><p>* All spell slots on Divine Smite</p><p>* All Channel Divinty (3/day) on Vow of Enmity. 12 rounds (3 4-round fights).</p><p></p><p><strong>Oathbreaker Paladin</strong></p><p>Lv. 11 (16 CHA): 30*2*(.6*20.83 + .05*33.67) + 175.5 = 1,026.4</p><p>Lv. 15 (16 CHA): 30*2*(.6*20.83 + .05*33.67) + 229.5 = 1,080.4</p><p>Lv. 19 (20 CHA): 30*2*(.6*22.83 + .05*35.67) + 310.5 = 1,239.4</p><p>Lv. 20 (20 CHA): 30*2*(.6*22.83 + .05*35.67) + 310.5 = 1,239.4 (+ capstone reaction ability)</p><p>* All spell slots on Divine Smite</p><p>* Moving parts including any controlled undead from Channel Divinity.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gladius Legis, post: 7151119, member: 68748"] Depends on how you define "severely," but yeah, the Champion lags behind the Battle Master. Here's calculations I made between the two over the course of a 30-round day, taking crit ranges and crit damage into account since they're relevant with the Champion in play. [B]vs. AC 13 + proficiency bonus (65% chance to hit) 30 rounds of combat/day, 2 short rests/day All characters with greatsword + GWF Style and 20 STR Champion[/B] Lv. 11: 33*3*(.55*13.33 + .10*21.67) = 940.4 Lv. 15: 33*3*(.5*13.33 + .15*21.67) = 981.6 Lv. 19: 36*3*(.5*13.33 + .15*21.67) = 1,070.9 Lv. 20: 36*4*(.5*13.33 + .15*21.67) = 1,427.8 [B]Battle Master[/B] Lv. 11: 33*3*(.6*13.33 + .05*21.67) + 15*5.5 + 8*6.7 = 1,033.4 Lv. 15: 33*3*(.6*13.33 + .05*21.67) + 21*5.5 + 11*6.7 = 1,088.3 Lv. 19: 36*3*(.6*13.33 + .05*21.67) + 21*6.5 + 11*6.4 = 1,187.7 Lv. 20: 36*4*(.6*13.33 + .05*21.67) + 21*6.5 + 11*6.4 = 1,514.6 * Riposte Lv. 11-17 roughly equals .65*(13.33+5.5) = 12.2, vs. 5.5 of on-hit maneuver, difference of 6.7 per SD. * Riposte Lv. 18-20 roughly equals .65*(13.33+6.5) = 12.9, vs. 6.5 of on-hit maneuver, difference of 6.4 per SD. * For simplicity's sake, assume half of SDs (rounded up) are used on Ripostes, and other half (rounded down) are on-hit maneuvers. * For simplicity's sake, assume recovery of 1 SD w/ Relentless between rests (so 3 more SDs/day). And for good measure, three types of Paladins, w/ same weapon, vs. same ACs, also 30-round combat days: [B]Paladin of Devotion[/B] Lv. 11 (16 CHA): 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.75*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 175.5 = 973.6 Lv. 15 (16 CHA): 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.75*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 229.5 = 1,027.6 Lv. 19 (20 CHA): 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.85*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 310.5 = 1,151.4 Lv. 20 (20 CHA): 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.85*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 310.5 = 1,151.4 (+ Holy Nimbus vs. horde) * All spell slots on Divine Smite * All Channel Divinity (3/day) on Sacred Weapon. 12 rounds (3 4 round fights). [B]Paladin of Vengeance[/B] Lv. 11: 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.78*17.83 + .0975*30.67) + 175.5 = 1,021.4 Lv. 15: 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.78*17.83 + .0975*30.67) + 229.5 = 1,075.4 (+ Soul of Vengeance) Lv. 19: 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.78*17.83 + .0975*30.67) + 310.5 = 1,156.4 (+ Soul of Vengeance) Lv. 20: 18*2*(.6*17.83 + .05*30.67) + 12*2*(.78*17.83 + .0975*30.67) + 310.5 = 1,156.4 (+ Soul of Vengeance, + Avenging Angel advantage vs. horde) * All spell slots on Divine Smite * All Channel Divinty (3/day) on Vow of Enmity. 12 rounds (3 4-round fights). [B]Oathbreaker Paladin[/B] Lv. 11 (16 CHA): 30*2*(.6*20.83 + .05*33.67) + 175.5 = 1,026.4 Lv. 15 (16 CHA): 30*2*(.6*20.83 + .05*33.67) + 229.5 = 1,080.4 Lv. 19 (20 CHA): 30*2*(.6*22.83 + .05*35.67) + 310.5 = 1,239.4 Lv. 20 (20 CHA): 30*2*(.6*22.83 + .05*35.67) + 310.5 = 1,239.4 (+ capstone reaction ability) * All spell slots on Divine Smite * Moving parts including any controlled undead from Channel Divinity. [/QUOTE]
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