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<blockquote data-quote="Kerrick" data-source="post: 2844121" data-attributes="member: 4722"><p>Weird.. this is (I believe) the first time I've seen anyone say that sorcerers were powerful. Everything else I've seen (class comparisons, player testimonials, and even a breakdown of the classes by points) showed the sorcerer to be weak, on this board and others. Someone on another board, though, said that most people don't play the sorcerer to its full potential...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>All right... part of the reason I started this was to make a sorcerer that was not a "wizard who spontaneously casts spells." Clerics are kind of the same way as far as blandness, but they at least get turning/rebuking undead and domain spells; a sorcerer is just a spontaneous spellslinger. I want to make them unique - the druid is a divine caster, but it's totally different from the cleric; why aren't sorcerers and wizards the same way? Why do they have the exact same spell list? </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Interesting. We use something called <a href="http://shtar.pbwiki.com/arcaneburn" target="_blank">arcane burn</a>, where if you fail a Concentration check to cast or maintain a spell, you have to make a Fort save to avoid taking magical backlash damage, and you run the risk of having the spell slot burned out. Your version goes back to the spellcasting from novels, where it actually wears you down. When I was thinking about this last night, I was actually considering some kind of Constitution check after casting a large number of spells (it was kind of vague and half-formed). Do you lose spell burn with a short rest (like sitting down for an hour or so)?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think you summed it up pretty well - it sounds really cool, but it's in a book that I otherwise wouldn't buy. It sounds like it's along the lines of what I was thinking of doing to the sorcerer, though - give them a series of paths or domains or something (another vague, half-formed idea) similar to the warlock.</p><p></p><p>While I'm on the subject... what does anyone think about giving sorcerers their own spell list, seperate from a wizard? It would be a bit of work, I know, but a new archetype would need its own list.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Kerrick, post: 2844121, member: 4722"] Weird.. this is (I believe) the first time I've seen anyone say that sorcerers were powerful. Everything else I've seen (class comparisons, player testimonials, and even a breakdown of the classes by points) showed the sorcerer to be weak, on this board and others. Someone on another board, though, said that most people don't play the sorcerer to its full potential... All right... part of the reason I started this was to make a sorcerer that was not a "wizard who spontaneously casts spells." Clerics are kind of the same way as far as blandness, but they at least get turning/rebuking undead and domain spells; a sorcerer is just a spontaneous spellslinger. I want to make them unique - the druid is a divine caster, but it's totally different from the cleric; why aren't sorcerers and wizards the same way? Why do they have the exact same spell list? Interesting. We use something called [url=http://shtar.pbwiki.com/arcaneburn]arcane burn[/url], where if you fail a Concentration check to cast or maintain a spell, you have to make a Fort save to avoid taking magical backlash damage, and you run the risk of having the spell slot burned out. Your version goes back to the spellcasting from novels, where it actually wears you down. When I was thinking about this last night, I was actually considering some kind of Constitution check after casting a large number of spells (it was kind of vague and half-formed). Do you lose spell burn with a short rest (like sitting down for an hour or so)? I think you summed it up pretty well - it sounds really cool, but it's in a book that I otherwise wouldn't buy. It sounds like it's along the lines of what I was thinking of doing to the sorcerer, though - give them a series of paths or domains or something (another vague, half-formed idea) similar to the warlock. While I'm on the subject... what does anyone think about giving sorcerers their own spell list, seperate from a wizard? It would be a bit of work, I know, but a new archetype would need its own list. [/QUOTE]
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