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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Yair" data-source="post: 2184831" data-attributes="member: 10913">Note also that the DC's in Telas's numbers will actually decrease further with levels, as a devoted tumbler will probably get Dex-boosting items and other benefits. In other words, at high levels the character will be able to tumble more easily, and could afford to the the extravagant stuff like tumbling at full speed - but will still be at some risk.I haven't considered Epic scaling, that is a problem, but I suppose it can just be solved at epic levels.I like the idea of tying the DC to the Reflex save, making the foe's switness the key problem. I am concerned, however, that it doesn't scale well. Perhaps DC 15+Ref bonus could work well enough - difficult at low levels, fairly easy at high and epic levels.</blockquote>