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<blockquote data-quote="Telas" data-source="post: 2188870" data-attributes="member: 20934">Thanks for the perceptive, yet entirely inaccurate analysis of my campaign, Sledge.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":cool:" title="Cool&nbsp; &nbsp; :cool:"&nbsp; data-smilie="6"data-shortname=":cool:" /> I guess I could have been more clear.&nbsp;&nbsp; <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/nervous.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":heh:" title="Nervous Laugh&nbsp; &nbsp; :heh:" data-shortname=":heh:" /> Almost all of my campaign's &quot;big fights&quot; are with a number of humanoids of mixed classes.&nbsp; The monks blow right through the front lines and engage the spellcasters.&nbsp; I've got no problem with that happening.&nbsp; As mentioned, it's what monks do.&nbsp; The problem I do have is that they can do it for seven skill points, where it takes a Fighter two feats (Dodge + Mobility).&nbsp; After about 5th level, they stop buying points in a skill that is used in almost every combat.&nbsp; I haven't had a &quot;Tumbling Rogue&quot; in the campaign, so I can't speak to that (although a +10 to move isn't too uncommon).As an aside: A +2 for subsequent Tumble checks really isn't that much (although it does add up).&nbsp; It takes the chance of a successful Tumble from a 85% to a 75%.&nbsp; Those are still good odds at not getting hit.&nbsp; The afore-mentioned Fighter only gets a +4 to AC (+5 if using Dodge).&nbsp; :\ What really brought it home to me was a fight I was in a few weeks ago as a player.&nbsp; My Barbarian was fighting a Fomorian Giant, and I was almost killed over AoOs (he'd hit and move away).&nbsp; Since he has a +21 to hit (can you tell I'm AD&amp;D-reared?), that +4 Mobility bonus is nothing.&nbsp; A few ranks in Tumble, and I almost could have taken him single-handedly (OK, not really...). <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> Anyway, I think a Tumble that scales is a good idea.&nbsp; Yeah, I gripe when the Monks blow past the guards, but they rarely do any real damage to the casters (and are now in touch range <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/devious.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":]" title="Devious&nbsp; &nbsp; :]" data-shortname=":]" /> ).&nbsp; My real issues are the low cost for such a powerful ability, and the &quot;constant DC&quot;.&nbsp; Telas</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Telas, post: 2188870, member: 20934"] Thanks for the perceptive, yet entirely inaccurate analysis of my campaign, Sledge. :cool: I guess I could have been more clear. :heh: Almost all of my campaign's "big fights" are with a number of humanoids of mixed classes. The monks blow right through the front lines and engage the spellcasters. I've got no problem with that happening. As mentioned, it's [B]what monks do[/B]. The problem I do have is that they can do it for [I]seven skill points[/I], where it takes a Fighter two feats (Dodge + Mobility). After about 5th level, they stop buying points [I]in a skill that is used in almost every combat.[/I] I haven't had a "Tumbling Rogue" in the campaign, so I can't speak to that (although a +10 to move isn't too uncommon). As an aside: A +2 for subsequent Tumble checks really isn't that much (although it does add up). It takes the chance of a successful Tumble from a 85% to a 75%. Those are still good odds at not getting hit. The afore-mentioned Fighter only gets a +4 to AC (+5 if using Dodge). :\ What really brought it home to me was a fight I was in a few weeks ago as a player. My Barbarian was fighting a Fomorian Giant, and I was almost killed over AoOs (he'd hit and move away). Since he has a [B]+21[/B] to hit (can you tell I'm AD&D-reared?), that +4 Mobility bonus is nothing. A few ranks in Tumble, and I almost could have taken him single-handedly (OK, not really...). ;) Anyway, I think a Tumble that scales is a good idea. Yeah, I gripe when the Monks blow past the guards, but they rarely do any real damage to the casters (and are now in touch range :] ). My real issues are the low cost for such a powerful ability, and the "constant DC". Telas [/QUOTE]

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