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<blockquote data-quote="Hawken" data-source="post: 2191414" data-attributes="member: 23619">I'm not really much of a number cruncher, but for a compromise between the camps advocating the Tumble DC opposed by BAB or Reflex, what about having the DC opposed by BAB and[/] Reflex? Set the DC at 10 + BAB + Reflex to Tumble around and 20 + BAB + Reflex to Tumble through a space. I've read arguments here that either one is not good enough (and that either one is good enough), but would it be unbalanced against the Tumbler if both were used in the DC? Also, another idea: What about taking the parts of Tumble relating to moving through threatened spaces and making that part of the Mobility feat? That would really make Mobility about mobility, not to mention making it more useful overall. Tumble would still be useful in other areas; falling, bonuses to defensive fighting, etc, but if you feel Tumble would be too weakened by removing that part of it, then you could incorporate Balance into Tumble at that point.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hawken, post: 2191414, member: 23619"] I'm not really much of a number cruncher, but for a compromise between the camps advocating the Tumble DC opposed by BAB or Reflex, what about having the DC opposed by BAB [i]and[/] Reflex? Set the DC at 10 + BAB + Reflex to Tumble around and 20 + BAB + Reflex to Tumble through a space. I've read arguments here that either one is not good enough (and that either one is good enough), but would it be unbalanced against the Tumbler if both were used in the DC? Also, another idea: What about taking the parts of Tumble relating to moving through threatened spaces and making that part of the Mobility feat? That would really make Mobility about mobility, not to mention making it more useful overall. Tumble would still be useful in other areas; falling, bonuses to defensive fighting, etc, but if you feel Tumble would be too weakened by removing that part of it, then you could incorporate Balance into Tumble at that point.[/i] [/QUOTE]

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