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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5626975" data-attributes="member: 35909">IME and from my comparisons of the numbers...- You basically got it.&nbsp; I'm in a level 14 game right now, the DCs from anything that actually tries to grapple you are mathematically impossible for any of the casters to make.&nbsp; Use items.&nbsp; A wand of D Door also works, ironically, just not the actual spell.&nbsp; Carry one in your hand paranod at all times if you need to.&nbsp; Or get a teleporting item or friend to Freedom of Movement you.&nbsp; I don't think there really are any other options.&nbsp; If you can use 3E material, anklets of translocation are basically an essential item.&nbsp; Best option of all is to ask your DM to houserule the grapple concentration DC.- Tumbling in PF is a suicide pact.&nbsp; On characters with Acrobatics, I use it for the jumping and balancing, I only tumble as an emergency last ditch kind of deal.&nbsp; As you saw, the DCs are again unreasonably high, and it's just not worth moving around a little to eat an attack for it, generally.&nbsp; I find myself using tactics like getting the foe flatfooted or readying to 5 ft step up and attack to get within the reach of things with longer reach than me when I melee.&nbsp; It's about all you can do, IMO.Again, a good DM will see how dumb this all is and use the 3E tumble DCs.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5626975, member: 35909"] IME and from my comparisons of the numbers... - You basically got it. I'm in a level 14 game right now, the DCs from anything that actually tries to grapple you are mathematically impossible for any of the casters to make. Use items. A wand of D Door also works, ironically, just not the actual spell. Carry one in your hand paranod at all times if you need to. Or get a teleporting item or friend to Freedom of Movement you. I don't think there really are any other options. If you can use 3E material, anklets of translocation are basically an essential item. Best option of all is to ask your DM to houserule the grapple concentration DC. - Tumbling in PF is a suicide pact. On characters with Acrobatics, I use it for the jumping and balancing, I only tumble as an emergency last ditch kind of deal. As you saw, the DCs are again unreasonably high, and it's just not worth moving around a little to eat an attack for it, generally. I find myself using tactics like getting the foe flatfooted or readying to 5 ft step up and attack to get within the reach of things with longer reach than me when I melee. It's about all you can do, IMO. Again, a good DM will see how dumb this all is and use the 3E tumble DCs. [/QUOTE]

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