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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Treantmonklvl20" data-source="post: 5635225" data-attributes="member: 55582">You seem more interested in attacking me than my points, so I'll just defend myself from your attacks on me and leave you the last word.1) Attack my points.  This is a forum, that's what we do, it is not insulting.  Skip the direct attacks on me please, those are insulting.2) It is not subsumed.  It is a separate ability.  There is a difference between an ability that requires another ability, and one that incorporates another ability.  The latter would qualify for the term "subsumed", the former does not.3) I'm also suspicious of claims that a universalist uses his bonded item less than a specialist.  I made no such claim.  My claim was that universalists cast less spells than a specialist.  Seriously, it is NOT subsumed!  No need to be suspicious of the math.  Check it yourself before you make accusations.4) I used 10th level (and 5th level spells) because I knew it didn't matter what level I chose, but even levels would be more in your favor (since new spell levels are gained at odd levels, so an even level gives you one extra level to build wealth), and 10th level is halfway up the spectrum.  Again, you make accusations when you could have checked the math yourself to determine that your accusation could not be correct.  (Thanks to Systole for posting the math)5) The wealth level I used is from the wealth by level in the corebook.  It specifies that these recommended wealth levels are for PC's.  You could have checked that, but decided to attack my intentions instead.  Again.6) The WBL guide assumes characters will use up consumables and sell items at cost.  This is why the total listed is less than what you receive through adventuring.  Again, this is stated specifically in the corebook.7) You seem to think my main point is "just carry around a lot of scrolls for opposition schools", when in fact my main point is "carry around scrolls for those spells that don't come up much" this is a significant difference.8) Spells can be cast off of scrolls, this mechanical aspect of the game has existed forever.  I have absolutely no idea why you think a wizard who keeps scrolls to cast the spells off the scrolls rather than scribing them all is shameless optimizing, though I suspect it had something to do with me suggesting it as something I do.My DM doesn't punish me for having scrolls that aren't slated for scribing into my spellbook, but that I might actually cast from the scroll.  I guess that makes him "uncommon"9) I don't carry around a crapload of scrolls.  Did you not read my post?  Scrolls are EXPENSIVE.  I have a few scrolls, covering the highly circumstantial stuff.  Comprehend languages, Water breathing, that kind of stuff.10) You suggested I carry around a crapload of scrolls with my wizards in order to bypass the restrictions of bonded item on a specialist wizard, then call me a munchkin for doing it.  I never call anyone a munchkin in these forums or anywhere else.  Personal attacks have no place here.  I don't take bonded item, which I believe was the very first point I made (I take a familiar every time.  I can back that up - I wrote <a href="http://www.d20pfsrd.com/extras/community-creations/treatmonks-lab/test" target="_blank">this</a> over a year ago - read the part on arcane bond.  I make it pretty clear that IMO it is a lousy option.So to make it clear - you made up an accusation based on something that was clearly incorrect, and then personally insulted me for your fabricated crime.The floor is yours.  You have the last word.</blockquote>

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