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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MarauderX" data-source="post: 985606" data-attributes="member: 9990">Ok, back to the Monk issue still at hand...The problem I found was being able to get all the feats necessary to get the Grappling Block and still have Weapon Finesse so as to use Dex for attacking - and keep it all at a 4th level character.  I decided to go with a human for the feats and would take 2 levels in fighter for the feats and hit points.  Let know if I have gone beyond the bounds of the books, and refresh your memory of the prereqs for this feat:Improved Unarmed Strike (Automatic Monk feat)Deflect arrows (2nd level automatic Monk feat)Int 13+ (This one changes up the stats, as you will see below)Expertise (Fighter feat)Improved Disarm (Fighter feat)Combat Reflexes (Human feat)Weapon Finesse: unarmed (1st level feat)Grappling Block (3rd level feat)The stats for the character would end up being:Str = 10Dex = 16Con = 12Int = 14 Wis = 16Cha = 8With this layout, his AC=16 from the start, and with Expertise he could raise it up to 19 (BAB=+3).  HP would be higher, from 17-40, 27 is around the average.  After reaching this goal, I started thinking about the chances of being able to use the Grappling Block.  Essentially, if an enemy has a better BAB, the chances for using it successfully become substantially less as my target DC is the attack roll made by my opponent.  Then say I use Expertise to try to raise my AC up to 19 so as not get hit by him, and he still hits, I would need to match his hit with one of my own - at only a +3.  So for example, I am facing a 4th level fighter with an attack bonus=+8 (+4 Str, +4 BAB).  If I use Expertise to raise up my AC to 19, he only needs to roll an 11 to strike me (50% chance).  Now say he rolls a 15 for a total of 23.  I would need to roll a 20 to match that 23 - a 5% chance.  I roll an 8, and he clobbers me in my outstreched arms for 12 points of damage.  Now I could stop using the expertise, and the chances of him tagging me just went up, but the target attack roll I would need to reach might be much less.  Say in the next round the fighter swings at my AC=16 and hits by rolling a 10 for a total of 18.  I roll a 14 to GB for a total of 20 - successfully blocking and disarming him.  Now I drop his weapon behind me, and pray he doesn't have Quickdraw.  Now using the GB feat against opponent with a lower attack bonus would be sweet, as the attack bonuses that hit you become weaker.  It starts to become a problem once it is realized that a Monk BAB does not ramp up as quickly as a fighters and by 15th level it becomes almost way too lopsided to even have the feat vs. a fighter opponent of your level.  Hopefully by then new feats and greater HP will make up for it, and there is only one way to do it - playtest it and survive.</blockquote>

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