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<blockquote data-quote="JDragon" data-source="post: 1734338" data-attributes="member: 780">Well it appears my plan will not work as well as I had planned. (in truth I had not looked at everything in detail when I posted my first querry)The Wisper Gnome is a gnome that leans toward rogue instead of caster type.Also, it appears on a gnome can take the substitution levels. :-(&nbsp; The Racial Substitution level does the following...give up Familiar, and scribe scroll at first levelpick one school that you take a -1 caster level on (See above)You get...All your natural spell like abilities use your caster level for effects instead of staying at 1st.You get a modified spell list for illusions.&nbsp; Getting some illusion spells sooner than normal.&nbsp; Silent Image as a 0-level instead of 1st.&nbsp; There are a total of 9 spells you get sooner than normal.The shadow craft mage gets...+1 spell casting per levelA cloak of shadow - get concealmentCast illusion spells &quot;Silent&quot;shadow illusion - add shadow effect to more spells (Like shadow conjuration)Cast illusion spells &quot;extended&quot;Powerful shadow magic - shadow magic is more powerfulSO at this point I'm not sure if I want to do the whisper gnome or the substitution levels.As I mentioned above, I'm also looking for some good ideas for use of the illusion spells.Thanks for the help &amp; ideas.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="JDragon, post: 1734338, member: 780"] Well it appears my plan will not work as well as I had planned. (in truth I had not looked at everything in detail when I posted my first querry) The Wisper Gnome is a gnome that leans toward rogue instead of caster type. Also, it appears on a gnome can take the substitution levels. :-( The Racial Substitution level does the following... give up Familiar, and scribe scroll at first level pick one school that you take a -1 caster level on (See above) You get... All your natural spell like abilities use your caster level for effects instead of staying at 1st. You get a modified spell list for illusions. Getting some illusion spells sooner than normal. Silent Image as a 0-level instead of 1st. There are a total of 9 spells you get sooner than normal. The shadow craft mage gets... +1 spell casting per level A cloak of shadow - get concealment Cast illusion spells "Silent" shadow illusion - add shadow effect to more spells (Like shadow conjuration) Cast illusion spells "extended" Powerful shadow magic - shadow magic is more powerful SO at this point I'm not sure if I want to do the whisper gnome or the substitution levels. As I mentioned above, I'm also looking for some good ideas for use of the illusion spells. Thanks for the help & ideas. [/QUOTE]

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