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<blockquote data-quote="MwaO" data-source="post: 6891365" data-attributes="member: 12749"><p>It is almost always true with a couple of specific exceptions - and even then, that's usually because a PC wants feats from a class so badly that they don't care about the power swaps. I'm not talking about the 2nd/1st best choice of a particular level - I'm talking about the class as a whole. Each class(for the most part) has about 1-4 truly standout crazy useful encounter options and no class manages to cover all the Heroic Tier choices well - everyone has multiple relatively 'weak' choices in comparison to those 1-4. Even Fighter, Wizard, and Warlord.</p><p></p><p>Examples:</p><p>Quicksilver Motion(Monk 6) - every melee PC who hasn't picked up some other option should want this.</p><p>Serpent's Cunning/Eagle's Splendor(Druid 6) - get +1 to hit, +2 to your most useful skills, and either a free skill or a +1 to Will.</p><p>Dimensional Vortex(Swordmage 3) - dominate as an interrupt.</p><p>Demand Justice(Invoker 6) - opponent made a save? Interrupt and force them to roll again.</p><p>Vengeance is Mine(Warlord 1) - opponent attacked you because you had them marked? Hit them once yourself and give a friend a chance to pound them. Or Disruptive Strike to instead negate their attack, especially if Wisdom is your secondary stat.</p><p>Mantle of Unity - assuming a well-rounded party, give everyone about +9 total to defenses for a round.</p><p>About five different 'make a minor action attack' options.</p><p>Rain of Blows - make 3 attacks</p><p>Flame Spiral - make 3 attacks</p><p></p><p>If you can't get something out of there that drastically improves a PC, just wait until level 16 rolls around, where Cloak of Courage(give entire party a surge's worth of temp hit points at the end of a short rest as an encounter) or Borrowed Confidence(roll twice for all attack rolls) shows up.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MwaO, post: 6891365, member: 12749"] It is almost always true with a couple of specific exceptions - and even then, that's usually because a PC wants feats from a class so badly that they don't care about the power swaps. I'm not talking about the 2nd/1st best choice of a particular level - I'm talking about the class as a whole. Each class(for the most part) has about 1-4 truly standout crazy useful encounter options and no class manages to cover all the Heroic Tier choices well - everyone has multiple relatively 'weak' choices in comparison to those 1-4. Even Fighter, Wizard, and Warlord. Examples: Quicksilver Motion(Monk 6) - every melee PC who hasn't picked up some other option should want this. Serpent's Cunning/Eagle's Splendor(Druid 6) - get +1 to hit, +2 to your most useful skills, and either a free skill or a +1 to Will. Dimensional Vortex(Swordmage 3) - dominate as an interrupt. Demand Justice(Invoker 6) - opponent made a save? Interrupt and force them to roll again. Vengeance is Mine(Warlord 1) - opponent attacked you because you had them marked? Hit them once yourself and give a friend a chance to pound them. Or Disruptive Strike to instead negate their attack, especially if Wisdom is your secondary stat. Mantle of Unity - assuming a well-rounded party, give everyone about +9 total to defenses for a round. About five different 'make a minor action attack' options. Rain of Blows - make 3 attacks Flame Spiral - make 3 attacks If you can't get something out of there that drastically improves a PC, just wait until level 16 rolls around, where Cloak of Courage(give entire party a surge's worth of temp hit points at the end of a short rest as an encounter) or Borrowed Confidence(roll twice for all attack rolls) shows up. [/QUOTE]
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