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<blockquote data-quote="Zenon" data-source="post: 240200" data-attributes="member: 352"><p>I don't think your inferal is correct.</p><p></p><p>Crude diagram -</p><p></p><p>(each range is a 5' square)</p><p></p><p>1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8</p><p> A----D--------B</p><p></p><p>A=Attacker, D=Defender, B=Defender's Buddy</p><p></p><p>If A bull rushes D, he moves into the same hex:</p><p></p><p>1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8</p><p>----AD-------B</p><p></p><p>If the attack succeeds, A can push D back 5'</p><p></p><p>1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8</p><p>----A----D---B</p><p></p><p>With an additional 1' per point A exceeds the roll by. Let's say he gets another 5'. A continues the push:</p><p></p><p>1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8</p><p>---------A---DB</p><p></p><p>the Defender has now been push into his buddies square. Does D fall prone? What effect does this have on B?</p><p></p><p>I haven't been able to find this anywhere in the rules (and if someone has, chime in please).</p><p></p><p>Relevant rules are that you can pass through an allies square with no penalty, but 2 people occupying the same 5' square is one of those Things That Was Never Meant To Be.</p><p></p><p>Now, a 5' on a side square is fairly large (lay some duct tape out on the ground sometime if you don't believe how big it is), so I can't see falling.</p><p></p><p>A hard and fast House Rule I use is that whenever you do not have an empty 5' square to move around in, you are denied your dex bonus to your AC. I use this for partial map squares with walls in them, and two people occupying the same square.</p><p></p><p>Also two creatures occupying the same square is never an action that you can choose, it should only come about from the result of an action like this. This prevents player abuse.</p><p></p><p>YMMV, the above seems to work for me.</p><p></p><p>[edit] I'll address some other of your points</p><p></p><p>having someone prone in your square who is active (meaning not unconscious) looses dex for both (see House Rule above). Having out cold people in you square doesn't resrtict you in any way.</p><p></p><p>If you would be forced back into a square containing an enemy, he could choose to either block you from passing into his square, or let you in and get an AoO for moving into it.</p><p></p><p>I guess if he blocked you from entering his square, I would give it a knockdown, ending prone in the square in front of the blocking enemy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Zenon, post: 240200, member: 352"] I don't think your inferal is correct. Crude diagram - (each range is a 5' square) 1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8 A----D--------B A=Attacker, D=Defender, B=Defender's Buddy If A bull rushes D, he moves into the same hex: 1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8 ----AD-------B If the attack succeeds, A can push D back 5' 1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8 ----A----D---B With an additional 1' per point A exceeds the roll by. Let's say he gets another 5'. A continues the push: 1-2 3-4 5-6 7-8 ---------A---DB the Defender has now been push into his buddies square. Does D fall prone? What effect does this have on B? I haven't been able to find this anywhere in the rules (and if someone has, chime in please). Relevant rules are that you can pass through an allies square with no penalty, but 2 people occupying the same 5' square is one of those Things That Was Never Meant To Be. Now, a 5' on a side square is fairly large (lay some duct tape out on the ground sometime if you don't believe how big it is), so I can't see falling. A hard and fast House Rule I use is that whenever you do not have an empty 5' square to move around in, you are denied your dex bonus to your AC. I use this for partial map squares with walls in them, and two people occupying the same square. Also two creatures occupying the same square is never an action that you can choose, it should only come about from the result of an action like this. This prevents player abuse. YMMV, the above seems to work for me. [edit] I'll address some other of your points having someone prone in your square who is active (meaning not unconscious) looses dex for both (see House Rule above). Having out cold people in you square doesn't resrtict you in any way. If you would be forced back into a square containing an enemy, he could choose to either block you from passing into his square, or let you in and get an AoO for moving into it. I guess if he blocked you from entering his square, I would give it a knockdown, ending prone in the square in front of the blocking enemy. [/QUOTE]
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