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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 3577763" data-attributes="member: 4937"><p>Good to see someone still reads Plato. 'Corrupting the youth' was one of two charges brought against Socrates, or perhaps a blanket charge which covered the specific charges (how he had corrupted the youth). The other charge, or the specific charge depending on how you look at it, was that he was 'teaching foreign gods' and specifically, that Socrates didn't believe in the gods. Although all the charges were trumped up and his real 'crime' had been claiming that the leading political figures of Athens were ignorant, both charges stemmed mostly from Socrates claim that the Greek myths were not reliable stories about the gods. In other words, Socrates was questioning the authority of Greek 'scripture', and its for this reason that we are lead to believe by Plato that figures like Meletus first came to despise Socrates. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. 'Heresy' is a philosophical crime, and most polytheistic religions aren't particularly philosophical. So I don't think it's a coincidence that when Greek philosophy flowers, we see documentation of philosophers being punished for heresy. </p><p></p><p>It's also worth noting that for most ancient polytheistic religions we have very little legal documentation, so we really have no idea whether or not they punished anyone for crimes equivalent to 'heresy'. They might have. They might not have. Suggesting that they did or did not is more a matter of opinion and tells us more about what people want to believe than what actually happened. Considering that even the Spainish inquisition only executed 60 people for witchcraft over the course of 400 years, and only 27000 for heresy (and executed fewer than 5000), it seems entirely probable to me that there were sparce convictions for equivalent crimes in polythiestic dynasties but that these simply never became part of the historical record. Then again, that's just an opinion. As an aside, I find that this is a typical misunderstanding people have of history. I think people underestimate the gaps we have in the historical record. Consider that we have zero, zilch, nada on the actual practice of historical druidism, for example.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 3577763, member: 4937"] Good to see someone still reads Plato. 'Corrupting the youth' was one of two charges brought against Socrates, or perhaps a blanket charge which covered the specific charges (how he had corrupted the youth). The other charge, or the specific charge depending on how you look at it, was that he was 'teaching foreign gods' and specifically, that Socrates didn't believe in the gods. Although all the charges were trumped up and his real 'crime' had been claiming that the leading political figures of Athens were ignorant, both charges stemmed mostly from Socrates claim that the Greek myths were not reliable stories about the gods. In other words, Socrates was questioning the authority of Greek 'scripture', and its for this reason that we are lead to believe by Plato that figures like Meletus first came to despise Socrates. Agreed. 'Heresy' is a philosophical crime, and most polytheistic religions aren't particularly philosophical. So I don't think it's a coincidence that when Greek philosophy flowers, we see documentation of philosophers being punished for heresy. It's also worth noting that for most ancient polytheistic religions we have very little legal documentation, so we really have no idea whether or not they punished anyone for crimes equivalent to 'heresy'. They might have. They might not have. Suggesting that they did or did not is more a matter of opinion and tells us more about what people want to believe than what actually happened. Considering that even the Spainish inquisition only executed 60 people for witchcraft over the course of 400 years, and only 27000 for heresy (and executed fewer than 5000), it seems entirely probable to me that there were sparce convictions for equivalent crimes in polythiestic dynasties but that these simply never became part of the historical record. Then again, that's just an opinion. As an aside, I find that this is a typical misunderstanding people have of history. I think people underestimate the gaps we have in the historical record. Consider that we have zero, zilch, nada on the actual practice of historical druidism, for example. [/QUOTE]
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