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<blockquote data-quote="Jay Verkuilen" data-source="post: 7759152" data-attributes="member: 6873517">Maybe, maybe not. I'd like an Insight check to help determine that as opposed to an automatic &quot;hey I got messed with!&quot;.&nbsp; Using magic to give you a boost to a roll is pretty far from dominating someone and turning them into your puppet. The real problem is that WotC, by deciding that cantrips like Friends pretty much automatically turned someone who might have been neutral into a &quot;hey, that jerk just used MAGIC on me!&quot; made something like that not worth using. A vastly better way to make spells like this worthwhile would be to have them work kind of like the Bard's Inspiration. Note that the Bard CAN'T use inspiration on self in general so it's of no help to the usual face of the group. Maybe something like this:This is totally off the cuff and thus likely has some bugs but it would work nicely to have something that's not totally &quot;he's my puppet and does what I tell him to do&quot; which I do agree should be fairly obvious.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jay Verkuilen, post: 7759152, member: 6873517"] Maybe, maybe not. I'd like an Insight check to help determine that as opposed to an automatic "hey I got messed with!". Using magic to give you a boost to a roll is pretty far from dominating someone and turning them into your puppet. The real problem is that WotC, by deciding that cantrips like [I]Friends[/I] pretty much automatically turned someone who might have been neutral into a "hey, that jerk just used MAGIC on me!" made something like that not worth using. A vastly better way to make spells like this worthwhile would be to have them work kind of like the Bard's Inspiration. Note that the Bard CAN'T use inspiration on self in general so it's of no help to the usual face of the group. Maybe something like this: [I][/I] This is totally off the cuff and thus likely has some bugs but it would work nicely to have something that's not totally "he's my puppet and does what I tell him to do" which I do agree should be fairly obvious. [/QUOTE]

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