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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 7759166" data-attributes="member: 23751">I look at who is being affected.&nbsp; A farmer in the back country probably would just end up confused.&nbsp; A merchant in a city?&nbsp; Not so much unless wizards and magic are rare.&nbsp; I'll only roll if I'm uncertain about whether or not the person would realize they are being messed with.&nbsp; My point, though, was that charm/mind control spells are likely to clue the victim in that something happened.Usually, it's more than a boost, though.&nbsp; The fluff matters.&nbsp; For instance, charm person says, &quot;The charmed creature regards you as a friendly acquaintance.&quot;&nbsp; A victim that is not a friendly acquaintance already is going to be aware that their feelings were very oddly off.&nbsp; Socialize as you describe it below, is much more subtle and would likely not be detectable in a stranger.&nbsp; People are often charismatic and that spell just makes someone a bit more charismatic.&nbsp; Most mind influencing spells aren't that subtle, though.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 7759166, member: 23751"] I look at who is being affected. A farmer in the back country probably would just end up confused. A merchant in a city? Not so much unless wizards and magic are rare. I'll only roll if I'm uncertain about whether or not the person would realize they are being messed with. My point, though, was that charm/mind control spells are likely to clue the victim in that something happened. Usually, it's more than a boost, though. The fluff matters. For instance, charm person says, "The charmed creature regards you as a friendly acquaintance." A victim that is not a friendly acquaintance already is going to be aware that their feelings were very oddly off. Socialize as you describe it below, is much more subtle and would likely not be detectable in a stranger. People are often charismatic and that spell just makes someone a bit more charismatic. Most mind influencing spells aren't that subtle, though. [/QUOTE]

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