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<blockquote data-quote="Sacrosanct" data-source="post: 7762985" data-attributes="member: 15700"><p>No one is upset about you saying DMs should work with players. You keep trying to act like that's what people are taking issue with, and no one is. What people are taking issue with is when you say "DMs should work with players" with the meaning that DMs must do what the players want. That's not working with players. That's catering to players. And then insulting any DM who doesn't do what the player wants. Like earlier, when someone said tabaxi weren't allowed and then you said they should or the DM was bad. "The DM is the final authority, but if I don't get my way, they are a coward." That's the position you've been arguing this whole time. I.e., you can't say DMs are the final authority while at the same time insulting them every time a ruling is made that you don't agree with. Those are inherently contradictory positions. And many people keep pointing this out to you. Let's look at some of your comments:</p><p></p><p><em>"preemptively banning something because you're afraid of it ruining your carefully laid out plans seems like you're incapable of dealing with not everything going the way you want it."</em></p><p><em></em></p><p>You, making a strawman and an assumption about why DMs may ban things, and insulting the DM</p><p></p><p><em>"wow didn't realize you were an Official WotC sanctioned authority on what is allowed in a game.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>really though, I'm a little perturbed at your "pay to win" comment. odds are if a player wants to be, say, a tabaxi their biggest motivation is to play as a cat people race, not toppling the DM's vision or campaign."</em></p><p><em></em></p><p>Again, insulting someone who bans something from their game, and rather than bother listening to the why, you assume it should be allowed because it wouldn't ruin the world (how would you know what their game world is like?)</p><p></p><p><em>"Okay so you missed something in "official material" (I'll get to that in a second) once and now you're afraid to ever have official supplements in your game. Yeah that sounds a little cowardly."</em></p><p></p><p>Again, calling people cowards who might not allow official supplements in their games.</p><p></p><p><em>"And if you're upset about me using the word "coward" to describe such people... well, damn. I dunno. Some people get upset 'cause they're not "allowed" to say things like racial slurs"</em></p><p></p><p>Comparing these two things is abhorrent, and you should be ashamed of yourself.</p><p></p><p><em>"Should the DM force their gritty setting game on all the players, even though he's outnumbered?"</em></p><p></p><p>Here's you flat out saying the DM should do what the players want, directly countering your "But I keep saying the DM is the final word, what's your problem guys!"</p><p></p><p><em>"I don't believe saying "coward" was at all over the top."</em></p><p></p><p>Which makes me think you have serious problems with social skills if you think this was no problem.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>See, you're doing it AGAIN. Anyone who disagrees with you is a bad DM. People aren't upset about complaining about bad DMs. But in this entire thread you've said anyone who doesn't agree with you is a bad DM and coward by those statements I just posted above. </p><p></p><p>"I keep saying how DMs should have the final word and work with players. Unless you don't allow this. OR don't do what most players want. Then you're a bad DM and a coward."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sacrosanct, post: 7762985, member: 15700"] No one is upset about you saying DMs should work with players. You keep trying to act like that's what people are taking issue with, and no one is. What people are taking issue with is when you say "DMs should work with players" with the meaning that DMs must do what the players want. That's not working with players. That's catering to players. And then insulting any DM who doesn't do what the player wants. Like earlier, when someone said tabaxi weren't allowed and then you said they should or the DM was bad. "The DM is the final authority, but if I don't get my way, they are a coward." That's the position you've been arguing this whole time. I.e., you can't say DMs are the final authority while at the same time insulting them every time a ruling is made that you don't agree with. Those are inherently contradictory positions. And many people keep pointing this out to you. Let's look at some of your comments: [I]"preemptively banning something because you're afraid of it ruining your carefully laid out plans seems like you're incapable of dealing with not everything going the way you want it." [/I] You, making a strawman and an assumption about why DMs may ban things, and insulting the DM [I]"wow didn't realize you were an Official WotC sanctioned authority on what is allowed in a game. really though, I'm a little perturbed at your "pay to win" comment. odds are if a player wants to be, say, a tabaxi their biggest motivation is to play as a cat people race, not toppling the DM's vision or campaign." [/I] Again, insulting someone who bans something from their game, and rather than bother listening to the why, you assume it should be allowed because it wouldn't ruin the world (how would you know what their game world is like?) [I]"Okay so you missed something in "official material" (I'll get to that in a second) once and now you're afraid to ever have official supplements in your game. Yeah that sounds a little cowardly."[/I] Again, calling people cowards who might not allow official supplements in their games. [I]"And if you're upset about me using the word "coward" to describe such people... well, damn. I dunno. Some people get upset 'cause they're not "allowed" to say things like racial slurs"[/I] Comparing these two things is abhorrent, and you should be ashamed of yourself. [I]"Should the DM force their gritty setting game on all the players, even though he's outnumbered?"[/I] Here's you flat out saying the DM should do what the players want, directly countering your "But I keep saying the DM is the final word, what's your problem guys!" [I]"I don't believe saying "coward" was at all over the top."[/I] Which makes me think you have serious problems with social skills if you think this was no problem. See, you're doing it AGAIN. Anyone who disagrees with you is a bad DM. People aren't upset about complaining about bad DMs. But in this entire thread you've said anyone who doesn't agree with you is a bad DM and coward by those statements I just posted above. "I keep saying how DMs should have the final word and work with players. Unless you don't allow this. OR don't do what most players want. Then you're a bad DM and a coward." [/QUOTE]
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