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<blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 489153" data-attributes="member: 2205"><p>OK, now you're just talking wild speculation. Not only is your division of kinetic and non-kinetic absolutely arbitrary and not supported by anything I know in Tolkien's works (and I've read them extensively, including the HoMM series edited and prepared relatively recently by son Christopher) but there's no evidence I know of to point towards several of the other points you just made. Since when do elves and dwarves and the many human sorcerers mentioned only get to do "non-kinetic" magic? Where's your back-up for that? To the best of my knowledge, there's little --if any-- info on what kind of magic they practiced, although the fact that they indeed practiced magic is very clear. Elrond certainly very clearly used "kinetic" magic at the ford of Bruinen.</p><p></p><p>However, you've come up with another spurious claim for that -- that the three rings of the elves provided a source of kinetic magic. Despite the fact that the descriptions of the purposes of the rings clearly don't jive with this interpretation and the fact that there's not one shred of textual evidence to support it, you use it to dismiss the evidence of Elrond's flood, Galadriels casting down of the walls of Dol Guldor (if indeed that was a magic act) and anything Gandalf does(!) despite the fact that in Gandalf's case no such justification is even needed!</p><p></p><p>Overall, I find your analysis to be lacking in understanding of the source material.</p><p></p><p>And since the original poster clearly stated already that he's departing from the source material anyway, I have to wonder what's the point of the arguing. I also have to wonder what's the point of making this Middle-earth if you're departing so far from the original. I'd just make it a standard Oriental Adventures game, and include a few Ringwraiths and the name of Sauron as a vague fear and shadow far in the West.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Desdichado, post: 489153, member: 2205"] OK, now you're just talking wild speculation. Not only is your division of kinetic and non-kinetic absolutely arbitrary and not supported by anything I know in Tolkien's works (and I've read them extensively, including the HoMM series edited and prepared relatively recently by son Christopher) but there's no evidence I know of to point towards several of the other points you just made. Since when do elves and dwarves and the many human sorcerers mentioned only get to do "non-kinetic" magic? Where's your back-up for that? To the best of my knowledge, there's little --if any-- info on what kind of magic they practiced, although the fact that they indeed practiced magic is very clear. Elrond certainly very clearly used "kinetic" magic at the ford of Bruinen. However, you've come up with another spurious claim for that -- that the three rings of the elves provided a source of kinetic magic. Despite the fact that the descriptions of the purposes of the rings clearly don't jive with this interpretation and the fact that there's not one shred of textual evidence to support it, you use it to dismiss the evidence of Elrond's flood, Galadriels casting down of the walls of Dol Guldor (if indeed that was a magic act) and anything Gandalf does(!) despite the fact that in Gandalf's case no such justification is even needed! Overall, I find your analysis to be lacking in understanding of the source material. And since the original poster clearly stated already that he's departing from the source material anyway, I have to wonder what's the point of the arguing. I also have to wonder what's the point of making this Middle-earth if you're departing so far from the original. I'd just make it a standard Oriental Adventures game, and include a few Ringwraiths and the name of Sauron as a vague fear and shadow far in the West. [/QUOTE]
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