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<blockquote data-quote="fusangite" data-source="post: 490653" data-attributes="member: 7240"><p>Wizardru, you say,</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>No. You can even re-read the quote of mine that you excerpted to support this assertion to see that you're incorrect here. What I'm saying is that regardless of whether the characters, by themselves, have the power to fix the world, adventuring is less fun if you know the world can't be fixed. That's why I don't like adventuring in <em>Dying Earth</em>. </p><p></p><p>You correctly point out that Tolkien was very pointed in stating that LOTR is not about WWII. You also accurately represent what Tolkien stated he was writing about. I'm sorry that I'm heading out the door and can't address your questions about the broader meaning of "Celtic Twilight" and how it relates to the story of Britain nor about Tolkien's catholicism. Hopefully, I'll get to that tomorrow. </p><p></p><p>Joshua, in response to your latest post, "kinetic" is an adjective modifying the noun "magic." It therefore describes a subset of magic. Therefore, producing examples of non-kinetic magic to disprove my statement about kinetic magic is unhelpful. I see no indication whatsoever that sorcery describes kinetic magic -- I have found that the term "sorcery" when talking about myth traditions of other cultures typically refers to a magic similar to voodoo, whereby one puts a hex or bad luck on someone.</p><p></p><p>The term "kinetic" is not nebulous. <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kinetic" target="_blank">http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kinetic</a></p><p></p><p>As for the Celtic Twilight theme: the Edain are the Germanic/Teutonic peoples; the elves are the Celts -- they leave. The men establish an impoverished kingdom without them -- after the two kindreds become estranged. As for your point that the work is not about British history but about British myth, I concede; I used the wrong term because frankly, prior to the Danelaw coming to Britain in the 9th century, the two terms are pretty interchangeable.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fusangite, post: 490653, member: 7240"] Wizardru, you say, No. You can even re-read the quote of mine that you excerpted to support this assertion to see that you're incorrect here. What I'm saying is that regardless of whether the characters, by themselves, have the power to fix the world, adventuring is less fun if you know the world can't be fixed. That's why I don't like adventuring in [i]Dying Earth[/i]. You correctly point out that Tolkien was very pointed in stating that LOTR is not about WWII. You also accurately represent what Tolkien stated he was writing about. I'm sorry that I'm heading out the door and can't address your questions about the broader meaning of "Celtic Twilight" and how it relates to the story of Britain nor about Tolkien's catholicism. Hopefully, I'll get to that tomorrow. Joshua, in response to your latest post, "kinetic" is an adjective modifying the noun "magic." It therefore describes a subset of magic. Therefore, producing examples of non-kinetic magic to disprove my statement about kinetic magic is unhelpful. I see no indication whatsoever that sorcery describes kinetic magic -- I have found that the term "sorcery" when talking about myth traditions of other cultures typically refers to a magic similar to voodoo, whereby one puts a hex or bad luck on someone. The term "kinetic" is not nebulous. [url]http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=kinetic[/url] As for the Celtic Twilight theme: the Edain are the Germanic/Teutonic peoples; the elves are the Celts -- they leave. The men establish an impoverished kingdom without them -- after the two kindreds become estranged. As for your point that the work is not about British history but about British myth, I concede; I used the wrong term because frankly, prior to the Danelaw coming to Britain in the 9th century, the two terms are pretty interchangeable. [/QUOTE]
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