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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DND_Reborn" data-source="post: 8488841" data-attributes="member: 6987520">I would just like to point out to everyone here that PAM says: This attack uses the same ability modifier as the primary attack.Which for the weapons in PAM is (generally) Strength. And since for all weapon damage: When attacking with a weapon, you add your ability modifier- the same modifier used for the attack roll to the damage.The part in PAM about the butt-end damage being d4 doesn't contradict the general rules, it is just specifying that regardless of the weapon used for PAM, the butt-end uses a d4 for the weapon damage. PAM doesn't need to mention Strength, it is implied by the rules for general weapon use. If it didn't mean to include Strength, it would specify that.This also means a PC such as a Monk (who can use DEX for a quarterstaff instead of STR), would apply DEX to damage, even with the butt-end.So, the butt-end is d4 + Strength (usually <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /> ) bludgeoning damage.EDIT: updated for nit-pickiness... <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f644.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":rolleyes:" title="Roll eyes    :rolleyes:"  data-smilie="11"data-shortname=":rolleyes:" /></blockquote>

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