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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Umbran" data-source="post: 6154792" data-attributes="member: 177">Agreed.Actually, what I have said is that the presence of economy for expensive non-magical items implies sufficient cash for the magical ones as well.  I'm saying, not just implying, that if nobody has the money for a +1 sword, then nobody has moneyf or full plate, either.  I'm saying that the choice to impose the limit on magic item economy in that way has implications throughout the campaign world.Oh, now hold on there a minute.  No cherry picking!  You're invoking the limits, but apparently chucking out the explanation of those limits! The paragraph that explains the table specifically states, "Anything having a price under the limit is most likely available, whether it be mundane or magical".  If you're trying to use this to say there's no market, then you have to keep your population centers below 2000 people.  That's pretty darned small.  You sure you want to do that?And what about the next pages of the DMG, which give you the population of the town that has those limits?A large town (2001-5000 people) has a GP limit of 3000 GP.  It *also* has one wizard of level 4-7, and one cleric of level 4-10.  Note how the craft weapons and armor feat has a required caster level of only 5?  Any place larger, you get multiple casters of even higher levels, and the idea that *none* of them have chosen to take a feat that could be so lucrative becomes less and less plausible.  Not that the item in question has to be made by the local caster.  Nor does it have to sit in Ye Olde Magicke Iteme Shoppe.  It merely has to be present in among those couple thousand people.  Maybe the innkeeper has a family heirloom that he's willing to sell, or the city watch has one in inventory but hey need payroll more than they need the sword.Yes, as I have said, REPEATEDLY, and I'll say again, so you won't miss it: you can create a world with no market.  But, it constrains the world in other ways, in terms of plausibility.  The GM has to be sure the constraints this stipulation imposes are consistent with everything else they desire for their world.  As you can see from my answers to the questions, the constraints can start getting pretty specific.Yes, but again, because you seem to have missed it previously - the "shop that deals in magic items exclusively" is a straw man.  If that's what you're arguing against, I think you've set it up as a target yourself, and are trying to knock it over yourself.  Which, while kind of a silly endeavor, you're free to do.  But please stop responding to others as if they are trying to defend your arbitrarily set point for you, because we aren't.This will sound pedantic, but I want to be clear: when we say, "there will be a market" we don't mean a brick-and mortar building.  We mean "market" in the economic sense of there being trade in such items, not in the sense of "I'm going to the super-market to get a pound of butter".</blockquote>

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