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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Flexor the Mighty!" data-source="post: 2794223" data-attributes="member: 1013">Hi all.  I'm converting the demon princes and such over to C&C from thier 1e/2e sources.  I'm using the MM & MMII as main sources with some stuff pulled from the two Planescape Monsterous Compendium books.Converting the non-unique demons is pretty easy.  I'm basically using thier 1e stats fixed for C&C mechanics with some of the boosts they got in the PS stuff. For exampleManes (Sub-Demon) NO. ENCOUNTERED: 4-16SIZE: S (3’)HD: 1 (d8)MOVE: 10’AC: 13ATTACKS: 2 claws (1d2), bite (1d4)SPECIAL: +1 or better weapon to hit, SR 2SAVES: PINT: AnimalALIGNMENT: Chaotic EvilTYPE: ExtraplanarTREASURE: NilXP: 9+1Pretty much standard 1e conversion with the 10% magic resistance of the 2e version tacked on.  For HD purposes I'm going this way, Sub - d8Lesser/Minor - d10Greater - d12Now according to these conversions a Type VI is going to be less powerful than the larger dragons and that's fine.  But for the unique demons I want them to be tougher.  So I'm looking at HD in the 35+ range with AC of 30+.  Does this sound reasonable?  Has anyone else converted them over yet?  Do you think I should stick to stright HP comparisons of the 1e sources?  Should Graz'zt have higher HD than Orcus since it's 186 to 120 in the 1e books?  Would Zuggtmoy have a higher HD than Demogorgon since she has him in HP 233-200?  I'm thinking I'm going to depart from the 1e stuff in this.  Zuggy is a mighty demoness and surely greater than any mere Lord, but she shouldn't be on Demogorgon's level IMO.I'm just conflicted on how to assign HD values.  I don't want them to be too powerful so a party of the 20th level range could stand a few rounds in combat with them, but I don't want a Demon Lord to be a punk compared to a ancient Gold Dragon.</blockquote>

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