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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 7659778" data-attributes="member: 7006">I'll tell you what's annoying... the old &quot;If we don't have online tools, the game is going to DIE!&quot; meme.No it's not.&nbsp; Online generators or tools will having nothing to do with it.&nbsp; It never did and it never will.&nbsp; 4E had several online generators and tools created by WotC itself and it's not like that magically saved the game.&nbsp; And before you try and come back with &quot;Well, if the tools were better, the game would have been more popular and lasted longer&quot;... just stop right there.&nbsp; No it wouldn't have.&nbsp; I know it, and you know it.&nbsp; D&amp;D Insider was probably a wonderful moneymaker for Wizards and they worked very well for a large percentage of the players who subscribed... but there is nothing that can be gleamed from having the tools themselves to determine whether it prolonged or shortened the game's lifespan.Are online tools nice?&nbsp; Absolutely.&nbsp; Are they nicer in people's opinions if they are FREE?&nbsp; Even more absolutely.&nbsp; But does the largest percentage of the D&amp;D populace *not* use them or quite frankly even know of their existence?&nbsp; Even morest absolutely.So no... these C&amp;Ds will annoy an extremely small segment of players... but which will do very little to the success or failure of D&amp;D 5E on the whole.&nbsp; Because let's face it... even of that extremely small segment of players, only an extremely segment of THEM will quit 5E ENTIRELY because they won't have an online character generator to use.&nbsp; Sure, they'll continually complain about it... but if the game itself is that good, they'll keep playing regardless of how automated tools they have at their disposal to assist them.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 7659778, member: 7006"] I'll tell you what's annoying... the old "If we don't have online tools, the game is going to DIE!" meme. No it's not. Online generators or tools will having nothing to do with it. It never did and it never will. 4E had several online generators and tools created by WotC itself and it's not like that magically saved the game. And before you try and come back with "Well, if the tools were better, the game would have been more popular and lasted longer"... just stop right there. No it wouldn't have. I know it, and you know it. D&D Insider was probably a wonderful moneymaker for Wizards and they worked very well for a large percentage of the players who subscribed... but there is nothing that can be gleamed from having the tools themselves to determine whether it prolonged or shortened the game's lifespan. Are online tools nice? Absolutely. Are they nicer in people's opinions if they are FREE? Even more absolutely. But does the largest percentage of the D&D populace *not* use them or quite frankly even know of their existence? Even morest absolutely. So no... these C&Ds will annoy an extremely small segment of players... but which will do very little to the success or failure of D&D 5E on the whole. Because let's face it... even of that extremely small segment of players, only an extremely segment of THEM will quit 5E ENTIRELY because they won't have an online character generator to use. Sure, they'll continually complain about it... but if the game itself is that good, they'll keep playing regardless of how automated tools they have at their disposal to assist them. [/QUOTE]

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