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<blockquote data-quote="TheHirumaChico" data-source="post: 9142461" data-attributes="member: 7022501">Thank you all taking the time to provide these very helpful responses, much appreciated!&nbsp; Special thank you [USER=6683330]@lichmaster[/USER] for pointing out the subtle difference between attribute checks and attack rolls that me and my players had missed.&nbsp; On p. 147 it says &quot;If triple-sixes are rolled on the attack roll, a critical hit occurs. A critical hit automatically hits, and inflicts a condition on the target, as explained later.&quot;&nbsp; But we had missed that there is not an automatic success on the attribute rolls as noted on p. 134.&nbsp; And I am definitely recalibrating myself as to how I view NPC/PC competency and difficulty benchmarks.I do think I have arrived at a better analogy for trying to explain this sense of miscalibration with my players.&nbsp; Their characters are all Grade 10, and I've asked them to all be combat capable, all former special forces operatives now doing some foreign intelligence work for an agency.&nbsp; The best analogy is they are the Stonebridge's and Scott's from the Strike Back TV show.&nbsp;&nbsp; I think I can illustrate the situation by describing it in old school fantasy d20 terms, so that their Grade 10 characters = level 10 d20 fantasy characters.&nbsp; They have all multi-classed, so one character is a approximately an 8th level melee fighter/2nd level thief, the second character is roughly a 7th level dual-pistol fighter/3rd level magic user, and the third character is perhaps a 10th level pure ranger (outdoorsman/sniper).&nbsp; But I feel the 2nd player character is thinking he's more like at least a 5th or 6th level magic user (computer hacker), when he's really a much better fighter (dual pistol combat guy) with a couple levels of magic user added in.&nbsp; Or I can just use Morrus' other very accessible analogy and tell him he's not Data when it comes to computers, he's Worf.&nbsp; And he's not Geordi LaForge for electronics, he's still Worf. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="TheHirumaChico, post: 9142461, member: 7022501"] Thank you all taking the time to provide these very helpful responses, much appreciated! Special thank you [USER=6683330]@lichmaster[/USER] for pointing out the subtle difference between attribute checks and attack rolls that me and my players had missed. On p. 147 it says "If triple-sixes are rolled on the attack roll, a critical hit occurs. [U]A critical hit automatically hits[/U], and inflicts a condition on the target, as explained later." But we had missed that there is not an automatic success on the attribute rolls as noted on p. 134. And I am definitely recalibrating myself as to how I view NPC/PC competency and difficulty benchmarks. I do think I have arrived at a better analogy for trying to explain this sense of miscalibration with my players. Their characters are all Grade 10, and I've asked them to all be combat capable, all former special forces operatives now doing some foreign intelligence work for an agency. The best analogy is they are the Stonebridge's and Scott's from the Strike Back TV show. I think I can illustrate the situation by describing it in old school fantasy d20 terms, so that their Grade 10 characters = level 10 d20 fantasy characters. They have all multi-classed, so one character is a approximately an 8th level melee fighter/2nd level thief, the second character is roughly a 7th level dual-pistol fighter/3rd level magic user, and the third character is perhaps a 10th level pure ranger (outdoorsman/sniper). But I feel the 2nd player character is thinking he's more like at least a 5th or 6th level magic user (computer hacker), when he's really a much better fighter (dual pistol combat guy) with a couple levels of magic user added in. Or I can just use Morrus' other very accessible analogy and tell him he's not Data when it comes to computers, he's Worf. And he's not Geordi LaForge for electronics, he's still Worf. :p [/QUOTE]

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