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<blockquote data-quote="Composer99" data-source="post: 8426298" data-attributes="member: 7030042">I can confirm that [USER=7030563]@ECMO3[/USER]'s reading of the rule in the first sentence is correct, having checked the PHB since my last post. The PHB puts picking a lock in the activities explicitly not included under Sleight of Hand, though, so IMO proficiency with that skill wouldn't apply (though as usual, DM's table, DM's rule).The remark about changing the DC based on using a different tool is I think where we diverge, and I think it has to do with how we are seeing the situation play out in the fiction. IMO, if you are trying to pick the lock, that is a single task or undertaking, with the same DC for that lock no matter what method you use to pick the lock. The difference between using specialised tools versus a knife or a hair pin would be the difference between getting to add your proficiency bonus or not, just as other circumstances extrinsic to the lock itself but that bear upon your attempt (whether relating to the approach you take or not) might cause you to make the check with advantage or disadvantage.From your text, it strikes me that you view the different approaches to picking the lock to be different tasks, thus justifying the different DCs. Is that a fair reading?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Composer99, post: 8426298, member: 7030042"] I can confirm that [USER=7030563]@ECMO3[/USER]'s reading of the rule in the first sentence is correct, having checked the PHB since my last post. The PHB puts picking a lock in the activities explicitly [I]not[/I] included under Sleight of Hand, though, so IMO proficiency with that skill wouldn't apply (though as usual, DM's table, DM's rule). The remark about changing the DC based on using a different tool is I think where we diverge, and I think it has to do with how we are seeing the situation play out in the fiction. IMO, if you are trying to pick the lock, that is a single task or undertaking, with the same DC for that lock no matter what method you use to pick the lock. The difference between using specialised tools versus a knife or a hair pin would be the difference between getting to add your proficiency bonus or not, just as other circumstances extrinsic to the lock itself but that bear upon your attempt (whether relating to the approach you take or not) might cause you to make the check with advantage or disadvantage. From your text, it strikes me that you view the different approaches to picking the lock to be different tasks, thus justifying the different DCs. Is that a fair reading? [/QUOTE]

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