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<blockquote data-quote="Swarmkeeper" data-source="post: 8426534" data-attributes="member: 6921763">Agreed on all of this.&nbsp; The approach (pick the lock) in the Thieves' Tools vs makeshift picks example really hasn't changed.&nbsp; But my mind has - thanks!Ah, a misinterpretation of your position on my part then.&nbsp; Sorry.&nbsp; But maybe useful for those following along?&nbsp; In any case, cool.&nbsp; <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I didn't pick up on those clues.&nbsp; Can you point them out?This is covered under the rules for Contests (PHB p174).&nbsp; I would simplify it by making it a straight up Strength opposed roll, with Athletics proficiency applying if a PC has it.&nbsp; Cecil still jumps further and less maths.&nbsp; Win-win!I would argue #2 is covered well enough by Contests.&nbsp; The ultimate measure or result being narratively assigned without having to fiddle with extra math.&nbsp; That's the 5e &quot;easy&quot; way.Number 3 can be thought of another way. The PC is trying to sneak past the guards, but one of them notices. The PC really needed to beat a 13 to make it unnoticed.&nbsp; So they failed.&nbsp; However, there's some additional nuance here where, if the guards leap into action to start combat, Guard A would be surprised while Guard B would not.LOL.&nbsp; Thinking sometimes gets me in trouble.&nbsp; Do or do not.&nbsp; Right?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Swarmkeeper, post: 8426534, member: 6921763"] Agreed on all of this. The approach (pick the lock) in the Thieves' Tools vs makeshift picks example really hasn't changed. But my mind has - thanks! Ah, a misinterpretation of your position on my part then. Sorry. But maybe useful for those following along? In any case, cool. :) I didn't pick up on those clues. Can you point them out? This is covered under the rules for Contests (PHB p174). I would simplify it by making it a straight up Strength opposed roll, with Athletics proficiency applying if a PC has it. Cecil still jumps further and less maths. Win-win! I would argue #2 is covered well enough by Contests. The ultimate measure or result being narratively assigned without having to fiddle with extra math. That's the 5e "easy" way. Number 3 can be thought of another way. The PC is trying to sneak past the guards, but one of them notices. The PC [I]really[/I] needed to beat a 13 to make it unnoticed. So they failed. However, there's some additional nuance here where, if the guards leap into action to start combat, Guard A would be surprised while Guard B would not. LOL. Thinking sometimes gets me in trouble. Do or do not. Right? [/QUOTE]

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