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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nifft" data-source="post: 3644001" data-attributes="member: 6562">So:1/ You can't cast while in, or within.2/ You can't use spells cast outside while in, or within (since it's impervious to the latter, and the former is suppressed). Well, reading the rules in their context, it looks like the more common interpretation (which is both) is what's intended. So IMHO splitting this hair is counter-productive to understanding the spell. That's only true until you try to create an effect. Seriously, are you telling me that a lightning bolt isn't an effect, created by the spell? If it's not, where is it coming from? The only wonky thing about call lightning (as opposed to produce flame for example) is that you can't target call lightning with dispel magic, because the spell isn't on you, and yet it also isn't anywhere else (until it generates an Instantaneous effect, which is also tricky to target). Flaming sphere is similarly directed, but has a dispellable effect -- I'd rule the same way on that one, BTW. The spell exists even while you're in the AMF, but you can't direct it while you are within the AMF.As to what I need to prove:1) A barrier blocks LoE. AMF creates an impervious barrier. QED. (See previous post for quotes and links.)2a) General rule: <a href="http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/spellDescriptions.htm#lineofEffect" target="_blank">You must have a clear line of effect to any target that you cast a spell on or to any space in which you wish to create an effect.</a>2b) Nope, wrong. All I need to show is that the lightning bolt requires use of the spell. AMF doesn't just prohibit casting, it prevents using any spell or magical effect. It's a broad brush, and I'm guessing arguments like yours are why it's there.- - -Now, I will find it disrespectful if you don't back your claims up with some rules, links, etc. I've been doing a lot of the legwork in this conversation.Start with "barrier", please. Prove that the barrier which prevents LoE isn't the barrier created by an AMF.Alternately, prove that you somehow gain the benefit of a spell without "using" the spell.Cheers, -- N</blockquote>

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