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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Desdichado" data-source="post: 2519245" data-attributes="member: 2205">False hope is right.  Because it's d20 players may hope that they will get better, but it's not my experience that they actually do.  I honestly don't understand that folks who say that d20 is more "pulp" or action-oriented than BRP.  As someone earlier point out, up until probably about 4th or 5th level, you are actually weaker than BRP characters.  And levelling up is hardly a given.  There are no actual rules for it in the book; it's completely GM fiat.  I've never had a CoCd20 character higher than third level, and that was the level we started at.I read the first two pages, but not that last, so maybe this point has been made, but I haven't seen it yet: d20 CoC is much more supported than BRP, as far as I'm concerned.  Sure, they don't have the "classic" modules like Masks of Nyarlathotep or what have you, but IMO those modules aren't really that great; they're linear, railroaded, hack-n-slash messes.  For d20 CoC, you can use d20 Modern adventures more or less as written.  And there's plenty of good ones; Bloodlines by 12toMidnight being a great game that could be used as is in d20 CoC.  Plus you can use any other d20 resource.  Need more demons/animals/monsters/etc.?  You have a metric buttload of them in d20 that are directly portable as is into CoC.  And that goes the other way as well -- need Hounds of Tindalos in your D&D game?  CoC is happy to oblige, with no tweaking required.I also think the idea that the support for BRP is really great is missing an important point; there's very little mechanical information of any kind in any of those products, so they are almost as usable in d20 as they are in BRP anyway.And the d20 book is much better looking than the BRP one.  And it's hardback, while the standard BRP is paperback.  The art is better.  It's full color.  It's better written.  It's got a better Mythos section.  It's got the best GMing advice ever written.  And your players (most likely) need expend very little effort to learn the system as it's a simplified and significantly weakened cousin to D&D.I dunno; to me, it's so overwhelmingly one-sided in favor of d20 that I'm honestly mystified that anyone still recommends BRP at all other than for the nostalgia.</blockquote>

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