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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Shemeska" data-source="post: 3752322" data-attributes="member: 11697">Don't make mommy make her scary faceWell you've got cool points in my book for going with Pale Night as Graz'zt's mother.Will you include some mention of Vucarik and Lupercio (and some new ones?) as being fellow spawn of Pale Night?But beyond that, here's a few things to ponder:Pale Night is one of the oldest Obyriths. I've always been partial to her as being one of the first generation Obyriths that might actually remember their exile from the Waste when their creators drove either exiled them into the primordial Abyss, or seeded the Abyss with them intentionally, or perhaps just abandoned them following the Law/Chaos purge of the early yugoloths.Yet despite being an obyrith, Pale Night's child Graz'zt is a tanar'ri, so either the father is a tanar'ri, or perhaps Graz'zt might have been manipulated in-utero by the "mother of demons"? Parthenogenesis and self-experimentation for the win?Who else was around very early in Abyssal history to make Graz'zt be something other than an obyrith? Perhaps an exiled Slaad Lord and Pale Night? We really don't know what happened to those yugoloths who refused the General of Gehenna and retained their flaws of law and chaos and then fled into the hinterlands of the Waste and potentially beyond. Perhaps they stumbled upon their wayward cousins in the Abyss and had some dealings with them prior to the rise of mortals on the prime material?Canon aside, I've also worked in my own campaign continuity that the first tanar'ri were spawned by the rape of Pale Night by the baernaloth Methikus sar Telmuril, the Flesh Sculptor. Of course that was written up before you developed the obyriths fully, so I've shifted some mythology accordingly to work them into the mix. Who's to say that Pale Night didn't seek out her kind's creators like Cabiri did, but while he ended up imprisoned in the Wells of Darkness for knowing too much, she left with something more concrete, for purposes known only to her and perhaps the Gloom Fathers.Perhaps Pale Night's actual children, and their children, and their children's children, etc... are all part of Pale Night's plan to return the obyriths to power in the Abyss. Perhaps her influence lingers on in their blood like a sort of lysogenic virus, lurking and hidden, quiescent for eons till the tanar'ri show some sign of weakness, at which point it re-expresses itself and births a new generation of obyriths from the tainted flesh of her tanar'ri offspring?</blockquote>

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