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<blockquote data-quote="Cleon" data-source="post: 6576666" data-attributes="member: 57383"><p>There's no mention in <em>mirror image</em> that an attack roll is necessary. Just "Any successful attack against an image destroys it". A swarm attack is automatically successful, ergo any images who are in the swarm's Space at the end of its move will be successfully hit and vanish.</p><p></p><p>To argue that a swarm attack doesn't count as an "attack" because it does not require an attack roll seems absurd to me.</p><p></p><p>The swarm attack represents an averaging of the individual attacks of those members of the swarm that are biting/stinging/whatevering the creatures in its area. It's just a shorthand to spare the DM from rolling a bucketfull of attack rolls for each of the rats/bats/whatever's in the swarm. It's not a terribly realistic one, because the amount of damage should really vary depending on the armour of the target - like it did in some AD&D swarms - but that's irrelevant for this discussion.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Imagine an individual rat makes a bite attack roll high enough to hit the target's AC and rolls 1 damage. What difference is there between that and a swarm of rats doing 1 damage to the target that would make one of them an "attack" and the other not an attack? They ought to both make a <em>mirror image</em> vanish. In both cases, the target has taken a point of damage from being bitten by a rat - why should it matter to the image if it has a swarm of rat buddies with it?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Cleon, post: 6576666, member: 57383"] There's no mention in [I]mirror image[/I] that an attack roll is necessary. Just "Any successful attack against an image destroys it". A swarm attack is automatically successful, ergo any images who are in the swarm's Space at the end of its move will be successfully hit and vanish. To argue that a swarm attack doesn't count as an "attack" because it does not require an attack roll seems absurd to me. The swarm attack represents an averaging of the individual attacks of those members of the swarm that are biting/stinging/whatevering the creatures in its area. It's just a shorthand to spare the DM from rolling a bucketfull of attack rolls for each of the rats/bats/whatever's in the swarm. It's not a terribly realistic one, because the amount of damage should really vary depending on the armour of the target - like it did in some AD&D swarms - but that's irrelevant for this discussion. EDIT: Imagine an individual rat makes a bite attack roll high enough to hit the target's AC and rolls 1 damage. What difference is there between that and a swarm of rats doing 1 damage to the target that would make one of them an "attack" and the other not an attack? They ought to both make a [I]mirror image[/I] vanish. In both cases, the target has taken a point of damage from being bitten by a rat - why should it matter to the image if it has a swarm of rat buddies with it? [/QUOTE]
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