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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ydars" data-source="post: 4654290" data-attributes="member: 62992">There is some great debate on these threads. The problem with Muslim scholars according to one authority, is that they each tended to create their own obtruse and abstract notations for things like maths that made sharing their work with others VERY difficult. Some even wrote in code to prevent their rivals stealing their ideas. So, one idea did not build upon another whilst in Europe this did happen. We were also rather good at stealing ideas and technology from China and other places as well; much as the Romans did. Just to also comment on the idea that gender equality was not a part of ancient/medieval societies; this is not universally true. In the Ireland of the Dark Ages, women were in every way equal to men in law and in fact and could hold the highest offices in the Church and in the Brehon, until many years after the council of Whitby (at least if Peter Berrisford Ellis is not lying to me <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />) The problem was the Church of Rome; they seemed to intensely dislike women and it was their religious laws that relegated women to the level of Chattel. I have read one book that intimates that it was the story of Eve's corruption of Adam that is the root of this; that in the Christian mind women were somehow agents of corruption and linked with that the thing about which the Chruch of Rome was completely ambivalent; Sex! You have to have it for propagation but the idea that you might actually enjoy it; well that is a sin. This is, of course, only the subtext of alot of what I have read and simplistic, but somehow I think there is a some truth it in.</blockquote>

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