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Message: <blockquote data-quote="cjosephs1s" data-source="post: 5715549" data-attributes="member: 6683450">To answer your second question, yes and no.  If you take the monster racial progression then you get everything the moster gets basically over the course of the progression.  They have a lot of these in savage species (such as the raksasha).  Most players won't want to just dip into a race a few levels though as a lot of the really good stuff comes at later levels; especially ability bonuses.  Take the raksasha.  It gains spell immunity to level 8 over the course of the progression.  So if you only dipped a few levels you'd only gain a slight increase in two abilities, a bite attack and sorcerer spells.  However if you take the entire progression, you become immune to 8th level spells and gain considerable ability boost to several stats and moderate to slight abiity boosts to a few others, plus other special qualities of the raksasha.  With monster classes you also have to go all the way with them.  So its all or nothing and all is usually a good way to go.  So yes, you get HD, BAB, Skills, HP, feats, saves, and the monster special abilities.   Templates are things added to monsters that usually enhance it in some way and change it somehow racially, but usually templates on their own don't give HD, BAB, Skills, HP, Feats, or saves.  They might enhance or reduce these things (half dragon ups the HD of a creature by 1 catagory up to a d12 for example) but they do not give them inherently.   If you don't have a copy of Savage Species find one.  It has about all the rules on templates and monsters as PCs that have been created for the game.  It doesnt' have everysingle one but think of it as you would a "Complete" book.  If you wanted a warrior type you'd look in the Complete Warrior for good ideas.  Savage Species does this for templates and monster classes.   This will definetly allow player creativity.  You just have to adjust your game a little so that monsters can interact inside a city as its normally not very normal for a Fire Giant, Raksasha, Gheale, and Treant to just stroll up to the inn and say they want a beer and a room..lol  But it is tons of fun to play one!</blockquote>

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