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<blockquote data-quote="Ralif Redhammer" data-source="post: 6800746" data-attributes="member: 30438">Sounds like things got really epic, and then over the PCs' heads. If I had to work my way out of the situation, I would look at everyone's motivations. The Lich is angry because they killed him and took his stuff. The Demon God Jailer wants to keep his demons imprisoned. The dragon...I don't know what's motivating him in your campaign, but I'll just assume some measure of greed. The PCs are probably motivated by treasure and XP. So where do all those goals lead us? Maybe the Lich has a special set of manacles that can bind demons, but wants an ancient tome hidden somewhere in the dragon's lair that he's willing to trade for. The Demon God Jailer is willing to go to bat against the dragon if they do this for him. The lair will have lots of monsters that aren't the dragon, plus plenty of other loot they can help themselves to.The other approach I could see would be to put a situation together where the PCs have to decide one of the three to ally with against the others. They all offer something different, but have different prices to pay.Putting big and powerful monsters that aren't supposed to be directly fought can be really tricky. On the one hand, the PCs are supposed to be the stars, but on the other hand, it makes no sense that there aren't more powerful creatures out there. When you have a band of adventurers that just blithely charge in and attack, assuming they'll be victorious, that causes further trouble.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ralif Redhammer, post: 6800746, member: 30438"] Sounds like things got really epic, and then over the PCs' heads. If I had to work my way out of the situation, I would look at everyone's motivations. The Lich is angry because they killed him and took his stuff. The Demon God Jailer wants to keep his demons imprisoned. The dragon...I don't know what's motivating him in your campaign, but I'll just assume some measure of greed. The PCs are probably motivated by treasure and XP. So where do all those goals lead us? Maybe the Lich has a special set of manacles that can bind demons, but wants an ancient tome hidden somewhere in the dragon's lair that he's willing to trade for. The Demon God Jailer is willing to go to bat against the dragon if they do this for him. The lair will have lots of monsters that aren't the dragon, plus plenty of other loot they can help themselves to. The other approach I could see would be to put a situation together where the PCs have to decide one of the three to ally with against the others. They all offer something different, but have different prices to pay. Putting big and powerful monsters that aren't supposed to be directly fought can be really tricky. On the one hand, the PCs are supposed to be the stars, but on the other hand, it makes no sense that there aren't more powerful creatures out there. When you have a band of adventurers that just blithely charge in and attack, assuming they'll be victorious, that causes further trouble. [/QUOTE]

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