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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 6682860" data-attributes="member: 67338">The rub is that the one or two characters in dark sun or ravenloft aren't for the most part anything anyone cares about... If I (the biggest DS fan I know) sat down and was told &quot;In my darksun XXX didn't exsist&quot; I wouldn't care, but if I told (the ones I know personally in real space) forgotten realms fans &quot;In my realms none of the chosen are higher then 8th level, and elminster just plain doesn't exsist&quot; I would expect some blow back... to put it mildly.&nbsp;100% agree. I dislike them for very different reason and could easily run the game if one of them was not in the setting, while the other one I wouldn't even notice...&nbsp;Yup, he could easily be just a 7th level drow ranger, and no one would notice...&nbsp;He is WAY more then Gandalf... I would kill for him to be ONLY Gandalf... I have players who quote him lieing to and desiving an over deity OA or AO I'm not sure witch it is. &nbsp;I actually have many years ago brought up dragonbait, because he is the fav of one of the players... I think the god in that series is finder or quester of troubler I can't remember since I baned all discussion of realms lore at my table a few years ago now... It is kind of a perfect storm... El is a mary sue (literally an author insert who is all powerful and has sex with goddess and hot sorcerers and can solve any problem or choose not to) who is also very popular, and who is also part of an over exposed setting...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 6682860, member: 67338"] The rub is that the one or two characters in dark sun or ravenloft aren't for the most part anything anyone cares about... If I (the biggest DS fan I know) sat down and was told "In my darksun XXX didn't exsist" I wouldn't care, but if I told (the ones I know personally in real space) forgotten realms fans "In my realms none of the chosen are higher then 8th level, and elminster just plain doesn't exsist" I would expect some blow back... to put it mildly. 100% agree. I dislike them for very different reason and could easily run the game if one of them was not in the setting, while the other one I wouldn't even notice... Yup, he could easily be just a 7th level drow ranger, and no one would notice... He is WAY more then Gandalf... I would kill for him to be ONLY Gandalf... I have players who quote him lieing to and desiving an over deity OA or AO I'm not sure witch it is. I actually have many years ago brought up dragonbait, because he is the fav of one of the players... I think the god in that series is finder or quester of troubler I can't remember since I baned all discussion of realms lore at my table a few years ago now... It is kind of a perfect storm... El is a mary sue (literally an author insert who is all powerful and has sex with goddess and hot sorcerers and can solve any problem or choose not to) who is also very popular, and who is also part of an over exposed setting... [/QUOTE]

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