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<blockquote data-quote="JediSoth" data-source="post: 5206727" data-attributes="member: 13882"><p>I don't <em>hate </em>any of the settings listed, though there are several about which I am thoroughly ambivalent and others I just like, rather than love.</p><p></p><p>So here's my REAL breakdown:</p><p><strong>Greyhawk</strong>: I like it. I voted Love/Hate because I like the setting as a whole, but don't like the post-from the Ashes stuff and I don't like how it's been totally abandoned...though, I suppose that keeps anyone from doing more damage.</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Forgotten Realms</strong>: This is the only one for which I have an actual Love/Hate relationship. I loved the first incarnation of the setting. I hated how it became bloated by its own canon and how the über-powerful NPCs were show-stealers from those who should have been the real heroes: the PCs. (Yes, I know that a good DM avoids this, but all I ever hear about is Drizzt this, Elminster that, the Symbul the other. If they're ALL THAT, what's the point of the PCs? To save Village Doesn't-Matter-to-Elminster from hungry goblins, eh? B-O-O-RING!)</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Dragonlance</strong>: OK, I lied. I have a love/hate relationship with this one, and I don't even think I voted that way. I loved the setting for the stories. I hated everything that caused the Fifth Age and the Fifth Age itself. The Heroes of the Lance should have been allowed their happy ever after following the Legends series. There were plenty of stories to tell without screwing them over the rest of their lives (though I admit I wasn't sad when Tanis met his fate and I liked the stuff dealing with Kang's Regiment).</p><p></p><p><strong>Planescape</strong>: I love this setting. I'm only sad I didn't really discover it's virtues until <em>Planescape: Torment</em>, and by then 2E was on its way out and the Planescape materials were hard to find. Thank goodness for Half-Price Books!</p><p></p><p><strong>Dark Sun</strong>: I am ambivalent about this setting. It didn't grab me back in the day, and it doesn't really grab me now.</p><p></p><p><strong>Spelljammer</strong>: I like this setting, but I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say I love it. Some of my fondest 2E memories as a player come from a campaign that utilized Spelljammer.</p><p></p><p><strong>Ravenloft</strong>: I don't really care for this setting, but I wouldn't say I <em>hate</em> it. It's far enough down on the Scale of Ambivalence as to be dislike, though.</p><p></p><p><strong>Birthright</strong>: I know less about this setting than I do Dark Sun. It just didn't grab me.</p><p></p><p>In addition, some not mentioned but put out as Campaign Settings (though several were folded into Faerun):</p><p><strong>Kara-Tur</strong>: I think this would have worked better as a stand alone setting, ala <em>Jade Empire</em>, rather than being shoe-horned into the Forgotten Realms. WotC has never handled Asian settings well, in my opinion.</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Maztica</strong>: Kinda interesting from a fluff perspective, but I can't see ever being interested in it for a long-term campaign. I guess it's OK being shoved into the Forgotten Realms. Wasn't very popular as I remember.</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Al-Qadim</strong>: I really liked this setting. Reminded me of 1001 Arabian Nights (I mean, you never read 1001 Aztec or Mayan Nights). I think this should have gotten the stand alone treatment as well, rather than being shoved into the Forgotten Realms, but I guess it made for some good fish-out-of-water campaigns by enterprising DMs.</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Masque of the Red Death</strong>: Like Birthright, I don't know much about this setting. I don't even know enough to be ambivalent. I saw ads for it, but they didn't grab me.</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Known World/Hollow World</strong>: I don't remember much about this one. It's OK, I mean, I grew up playing around the proto-version of this world.</p><p><strong></strong></p><p><strong>Eberron</strong>: I like Eberron. Of all the TSR/WotC settings, it's probably the one I would use in a future 3.X+ game. I wouldn't use it for anything before 3.X, though.</p><p></p><p>And that's to say nothing of non-TSR/WotC settings like Midnight, Ptolus, and the Diamond Throne.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JediSoth, post: 5206727, member: 13882"] I don't [I]hate [/I]any of the settings listed, though there are several about which I am thoroughly ambivalent and others I just like, rather than love. So here's my REAL breakdown: [B]Greyhawk[/B]: I like it. I voted Love/Hate because I like the setting as a whole, but don't like the post-from the Ashes stuff and I don't like how it's been totally abandoned...though, I suppose that keeps anyone from doing more damage. [B] Forgotten Realms[/B]: This is the only one for which I have an actual Love/Hate relationship. I loved the first incarnation of the setting. I hated how it became bloated by its own canon and how the über-powerful NPCs were show-stealers from those who should have been the real heroes: the PCs. (Yes, I know that a good DM avoids this, but all I ever hear about is Drizzt this, Elminster that, the Symbul the other. If they're ALL THAT, what's the point of the PCs? To save Village Doesn't-Matter-to-Elminster from hungry goblins, eh? B-O-O-RING!) [B] Dragonlance[/B]: OK, I lied. I have a love/hate relationship with this one, and I don't even think I voted that way. I loved the setting for the stories. I hated everything that caused the Fifth Age and the Fifth Age itself. The Heroes of the Lance should have been allowed their happy ever after following the Legends series. There were plenty of stories to tell without screwing them over the rest of their lives (though I admit I wasn't sad when Tanis met his fate and I liked the stuff dealing with Kang's Regiment). [B]Planescape[/B]: I love this setting. I'm only sad I didn't really discover it's virtues until [I]Planescape: Torment[/I], and by then 2E was on its way out and the Planescape materials were hard to find. Thank goodness for Half-Price Books! [B]Dark Sun[/B]: I am ambivalent about this setting. It didn't grab me back in the day, and it doesn't really grab me now. [B]Spelljammer[/B]: I like this setting, but I'm not sure I'd go so far as to say I love it. Some of my fondest 2E memories as a player come from a campaign that utilized Spelljammer. [B]Ravenloft[/B]: I don't really care for this setting, but I wouldn't say I [I]hate[/I] it. It's far enough down on the Scale of Ambivalence as to be dislike, though. [B]Birthright[/B]: I know less about this setting than I do Dark Sun. It just didn't grab me. In addition, some not mentioned but put out as Campaign Settings (though several were folded into Faerun): [B]Kara-Tur[/B]: I think this would have worked better as a stand alone setting, ala [I]Jade Empire[/I], rather than being shoe-horned into the Forgotten Realms. WotC has never handled Asian settings well, in my opinion. [B] Maztica[/B]: Kinda interesting from a fluff perspective, but I can't see ever being interested in it for a long-term campaign. I guess it's OK being shoved into the Forgotten Realms. Wasn't very popular as I remember. [B] Al-Qadim[/B]: I really liked this setting. Reminded me of 1001 Arabian Nights (I mean, you never read 1001 Aztec or Mayan Nights). I think this should have gotten the stand alone treatment as well, rather than being shoved into the Forgotten Realms, but I guess it made for some good fish-out-of-water campaigns by enterprising DMs. [B] Masque of the Red Death[/B]: Like Birthright, I don't know much about this setting. I don't even know enough to be ambivalent. I saw ads for it, but they didn't grab me. [B] Known World/Hollow World[/B]: I don't remember much about this one. It's OK, I mean, I grew up playing around the proto-version of this world. [B] Eberron[/B]: I like Eberron. Of all the TSR/WotC settings, it's probably the one I would use in a future 3.X+ game. I wouldn't use it for anything before 3.X, though. And that's to say nothing of non-TSR/WotC settings like Midnight, Ptolus, and the Diamond Throne. [/QUOTE]
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