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Message: <blockquote data-quote="JoeGKushner" data-source="post: 5049960" data-attributes="member: 1129">On the thread I started with the issue of slavery, this post came up.I love Conan and the others mentioned here. I've often mentioned them myself as points of view to support one type of game play. But the D&D those characters were initially based on is gone... 30 years or more?I'd argue that for a long time, many editions of D&D put the players, almost firmly so, in the role of heroes. Now that wasn't the only way to play it, but as the fiction line of D&D itself grew, those characters within generally tended to lack the mercenary, do what it takes to get ahead, destroy whole worlds that previous generations of characters did. And WoTC/TSR wanted players to be like the characters in their fiction line so that the two could feed into each other. Now I'd argue that with a lot of the alignment system streamlinned, 4e is probably closer to older editions in allowing a wider base of assumed play, but from my readings, I still get the idea that players are supposed to be heroes.What about other people?</blockquote>