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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wik" data-source="post: 4672943" data-attributes="member: 40177">I'm gonna pick up some random pieces to respond to, as I go.  So, bear with me.I guess what I mean by "Epic, Plot-based" is that D&D often does epic anyways, but it's sort of a loose style by default (in a sword & sorcery or Short-story fantasy way).  In that, you run a module, and then you run a different, unrelated module with the same characters.  Or, you string them together loosely.  "Plot-based" is more like "Novel Fantasy" - you give the PCs a goal, and they work towards it.  It's a side question all it's own, that I'm sure I'll ask one day when I'm REALLY wanting to see an edition war:  Do different editions/game systems affect the level of plot in a game?  Responding to your earlier post about game systems, I do disagree with your idea of 4e in an investigative game being the "best" choice, but were to run one, I'd fully jump aboard.  I lean more towards 3e (as I've said elsewhere), because there's more room for character differentation.  But this is an old horse, and I'll stop beating it for a while.It's an interesting statement.  Are you saying "D&D is good at exploration, combat, and taking  treasure", or what?  I mean, not everyone assumes "Core" D&D is the same.  Look at 4th edition - some GMs love using minions and low-level monsters... others tend to throw more elites and solos at the party.  Two different preferences that will seriously affect the flavour of the game.I'm honestly a bit confused by this statement.  Obviously, you mostly prefer 4e for any campaign type (and that's cool;  I wouldn't, necessarily, but it's nice to love a game).  But, would you ever try using that game system to run something it wasn't perfectly suited for?  I fully agree with you here.  Our first "real" 4e session involved a town being overrun by goblins, and it was quite a bit of fun.  Maybe not a huge number of foes, but it was similar.  I think one day, once I've worked out some of my 4e issues, I'll run a game sort of like this.  Thanks.  I just wanted to control the conversation a bit more, and really get the sort of replies I was looking for.  (this is a thought experiment for me, but I know it could have interesting applications later on down the road)I think we were getting close to playing Chimes, but we never did get to run it.  Which is too bad... it looked like it'd be a fun adventure.  And, I think you're dead right about 3.5E Eberron being the way to go for a D&D Investigative game.  Eberron was made for it, so why not use it, right?  Yeah, Cthulu is the way to go.  What's your problem with d20 CoC, though?  I think it's probably one of my top three favourite wotc books (along with d20 Apocalypse and Unearthed Arcana).  Yeah, but one can hope.  Personally, I like most of the editions, and would play in any of them.  I'm just hoping that some of the more rabid edition fans can keep that to themselves... and remember that this isn't about "Which is better", but more along the lines of "Which are the strengths and weaknesses of each?"Honestly, unless you designed or did work on one of the editions, I feel like you shouldn't be taking what someone says about your favourite edition personally.Yeah, that's a problem I'm having.  Not everyone will have it, but I've been suffering from it.  Luckily, it's getting better as I learn to ignore the rules.  In earlier editions, it was easier for me, because those rules weren't there for me to ignore in the first place. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />You know, I think you're right.  Combats can and would work.  Even in a resident evil game (where there are often many "boss" fights).  Your point about teleports and long-term invisibility has won me over.I hear ya, brotha!  "ravenloft" and "comedy" don't usually click in my mind.  I can't see RL being well SUITED for a slapstick  game, but I can see it being made into one.  Especially if you went over the top with cliches and the villains, and put in some jokes from Young Frankenstein.  Yeah, Battlesystem.  1e and a 2e version.  Great game, and I wish it had worked out for TSR more than it did.  Good point, too... I had forgotten all about it.Good point.  I never really thought about the making of monsters... 4e really makes that easier (one of the great features of the game), and making monsters fits nicely in with 4e's design philosophy.</blockquote>

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