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<blockquote data-quote="pming" data-source="post: 7318433" data-attributes="member: 45197">Hiya!I really don't know how to go into this without coming across as some sort of...well, &quot;meanie-poo&quot;. So I'll just write out how it would happen in my game and you can draw your own conclusion.DM: &quot;Ok. Aie, you see Bee running down the street, he turns a corner, what do you do?&quot;Aie: &quot;I keep running until I get to the corner&quot;DM: &quot;The corner turns out to be an ally way. Covered in boxes, crates, barrels, garbage and other refuse. You could make your way down it, but you'd have to be careful to not trip or slip on something&quot;.Aie: &quot;Do I see Bee anywhere?&quot;...Now we go into the 'hide' and 'non-hidden' thing.As it took 'a bit' (call it a round) for Aie to run down the street to the corner, that would have given Bee time to quickly try and obfuscate himself. So, a Stealth roll from Bee, with a Perception check from Aie (if Aie just stands at the corner and doesn't go down the ally), or an Investigation check from Aie (if he decides to move down the ally).That's how &quot;Hide&quot; should work, imho, and how it works in my game. &quot;Hide&quot; isn't just some word a player can blurt out to somehow 'automatically get to roll some dice'. You don't &quot;Hide&quot;, and then describe it; you describe what you are doing and the DM decides if there is a rule that fits (e.g., &quot;Hide&quot;, &quot;Stealth&quot;, &quot;Perception&quot;, &quot;Investigation&quot;, etc).I see so-o many players/DM's nowadays who, for lack of a better way to put it, &quot;role-play backwards&quot;. They look for a rule for something to do...as opposed to doing something and then finding a rule. Oh, no! He's chasing me! I need to use Athletics and Hide. [rolls dice]...ok, I got 19 for jumping over the knocked over cart, and I got a 22 for my Hide. Does he beat my rolls?&quot;...that sort of mindset seems to be the norm now. Back in my day (...ugh!...dating myself again!...) it was &quot;Oh, no! He's chasing me! I'll try and jump over the overturned cart and hide!&quot;, and the DM would then see what rules (if any) would be used.Anyway, that's my 2¢.^_^Paul L. Ming</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pming, post: 7318433, member: 45197"] Hiya! I really don't know how to go into this without coming across as some sort of...well, "meanie-poo". So I'll just write out how it would happen in my game and you can draw your own conclusion. [B]DM[/B]: "Ok. Aie, you see Bee running down the street, he turns a corner, what do you do?" [B]Aie[/B]: "I keep running until I get to the corner" [B]DM[/B]: "The corner turns out to be an ally way. Covered in boxes, crates, barrels, garbage and other refuse. You could make your way down it, but you'd have to be careful to not trip or slip on something". [B]Aie[/B]: "Do I see Bee anywhere?" ...Now we go into the 'hide' and 'non-hidden' thing. As it took 'a bit' (call it a round) for Aie to run down the street to the corner, that would have given Bee time to quickly try and obfuscate himself. So, a Stealth roll from Bee, with a Perception check from Aie (if Aie just stands at the corner and doesn't go down the ally), or an Investigation check from Aie (if he decides to move down the ally). That's how "Hide" should work, imho, and how it works in my game. "Hide" isn't just some word a player can blurt out to somehow 'automatically get to roll some dice'. You don't "Hide", and then describe it; you describe what you are doing and the DM decides if there is a rule that fits (e.g., "Hide", "Stealth", "Perception", "Investigation", etc). I see so-o many players/DM's nowadays who, for lack of a better way to put it, "role-play backwards". They look for a rule for something to do...as opposed to doing something and then finding a rule. [I]Oh, no! He's chasing me! I need to use Athletics and Hide. [rolls dice]...ok, I got 19 for jumping over the knocked over cart, and I got a 22 for my Hide. Does he beat my rolls?"[/I]...that sort of mindset seems to be the norm now. Back in my day (...ugh!...dating myself again!...) it was "Oh, no! He's chasing me! I'll try and jump over the overturned cart and hide!", and the DM would then see what rules (if any) would be used. Anyway, that's my 2¢. ^_^ Paul L. Ming [/QUOTE]

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